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How to Reduce PageRank?
Lowering the PageRank of my site.
zardoz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 11:55 am on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi everyone
Is there any why that i can get my site page rank to go down?
i know if i will remove all the links on my site and my sites links partners will start to remove my links my page rank will go done but it will take a long time, there's something to do to change the page rank immediate?

 

treeline

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 11:34 pm on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why would you want to do this?

If you want something really fast, change all the filenames. Then no one will be linked to them.

zardoz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 12:15 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

if i will change the names the homepage will have the same rank, no?

bnhall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 12:34 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm curious too why you would want your PR to go down.

zardoz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 1:28 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

i want to make someone a deal that i will work on his PR and the deal is for a one year i just want to know if i have the power to take my work down after this year

Stefan

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Msg#: 30035 posted 1:37 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

i want to make someone a deal that i will work on his PR and the deal is for a one year i just want to know if i have the power to take my work down after this year

If I understand you correctly, by virtue of your SEO skills, you will boost your clients Page Rank, and after a year, when the contract is up, you would like to remove the boost. Zardoz giveth, and zardoz taketh away.

I'm sure there are lots of people here who could suggest ways to get a PR0 pretty quick, but the problem might be more in the boost phase. It won't be something that aborts in mid-flight will it? You have to watch that part of it.

aleksl



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 1:46 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Let me guess...you are not trying to convince the client that your work is more valuable than it is, or basically blackmail him into extending contract? 'cause if that was me, I would fire that sort of "optimisator" in a second.

On another note, once you remove links it'll take somewhere from several days to 3 months for PR to be recalculated. Why, are you hired on the basis of PR alone?

BigDave

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Msg#: 30035 posted 2:07 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are basically 3 ways to reduce the PR that you will work on gaining for them.

1. Be the one that provides all the links. Then remove all the links.

2. Crack google's system and make a manual adjustment.

3. Do something to get the site penalized or banned. Difficult to do without write access to the site.

You have to remember that PR is not your's to give and take. PR is google's.

Unless you are the person doing the linking, then the link is up the person that is linking. The fact that you were the one that convinced them to link does not in any way make it your's to control.

If this is the way you conduct your business, my wish for you is to be stuck dealing with those that have the same morals as you do.

Adversity Sure Fire

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 5:04 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

interesting thred...

panicbutton

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 9:36 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

The best way to lower your page rank is to continue reading Webmaster World and implementing the techniques and methods expounded here.

Wizard

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 9:49 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

You intend to prove you can manipulate PR, don't you? But are your questions about Toolbar PR or Real PR? Because Toolbar PR is changed quaterly and you can't make bar green faster.

I know the way to remove the Toolbar PR without removing Real PR, but it's too simple I think, for your purposes, and it cannot be redone quickly.

zardoz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 10:06 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

thanks everyone, so i thinks that i will just remove all the links after the one year contract, and wait a few months.

Liane

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Msg#: 30035 posted 10:11 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

A client pays you to provide "services" offered for hire. As soon as your contract is up you plan to undo that which your client paid for?

Yikes ... if there isn't anything illegal about this, there certainly should be! What a scam!

TinkyWinky

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Msg#: 30035 posted 10:30 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yikes ... if there isn't anything illegal about this, there certainly should be! What a scam!

What, like you hire a car for 1 month and then expect use of it after you have paid for it? I'd like a bit of that!

I think it really depends on what services and whether the client factors in increased payments for results long after the event has finished.

Effectively it sounds like this is purely a link purchase idea... always risky tho'.

TW

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 30035 posted 11:12 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

What, like you hire a car for 1 month and then expect use of it after you have paid for it?

Bad analogy.

This is more like you pay a guy to respray your car and he calls around a couple of months later and blow torches all the paint off.

Eltiti

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 11:30 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

The "correct" analogy would, IMHO, depend on the exact terms of the deal.

However, someone who doesn't (already) know the answer to that question would not be my "SEO of choice" in any case! ;-)

aris1970

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Msg#: 30035 posted 12:01 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

A client pays you to provide "services" offered for hire. As soon as your contract is up you plan to undo that which your client paid for?

Yikes ... if there isn't anything illegal about this, there certainly should be! What a scam!

Dear Liane, I am sorry but you are absolutely wrong!

There are several cases that this is NOT scam and certainly NOT illegal.

Here is a REAL case:

A client signed a contract with us for a strict minimum duration of 3 years. The contract included a very LOW monthly fee for his website maintenance, web hosting and SEO as well.

The client's website climbed #1 on Google for several competitive keywords after our hard SEO work (no spamming at all!) after 3-6 months.

Then, after 1 year, the client got "smart", thought that he can continue having his TOP positioning, without paying anything and illegally terminated our contract which was very strict about its duration (that's why he was paying such a low monthly fee after all!).

Do you still find it scam and illegal if we do anything (legal of course) we can to stop them of taking advantage of our hard SEO work AFTER their ILLEGAL termination of the contract?

The "correct" analogy would, IMHO, depend on the exact terms of the deal.
However, someone who doesn't (already) know the answer to that question would not be my "SEO of choice" in any case! ;-)

Dear Eltiti, very smart statement indeed :)

PS. The client has already noticed that we know the answer for sure :), therefore he now tries to get in contact with us again... Our reply: thanks but we will NEVER work for you again!

[edited by: aris1970 at 12:09 pm (utc) on June 22, 2005]

TinkyWinky

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Msg#: 30035 posted 12:09 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

ooopssss

What, like you hire a car for 1 month and then expect use of it after you have paid for it? I'd like a bit of that!

Should read:

What, like you hire a car for 1 month and then expect use of it after the month that you have paid for...!

That's what I meant to say - too many Grande Frappuccinos this morning i think!

aleksl



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 3:21 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

K, either way, if there's a breach of contract issue, I suggest you re-examine the contract. If the amount is substantial enough, you may want to proceed legaly, even if it's a small claims court. There are many situations when you'll be unable to do so - different jurisdictions (country), amount too small, you not having enough finances to proceed etc.

maybe you should reexamine your actions - it is likely your fault i.e. unenforceable contract, low upfront cost, etc. Learn, fix it, and move on.

I'd suggest you use this client's example (and #1 position) to go get new clients instead of spending all this time trying to screw him.

there are several cases that this is NOT scam and certainly NOT illegal.

If this is US, I wouldn't count on that. My guess is you can only recover 2-year fees if you sue him, but he can impose lost revenue damages on you, and depending how big his company really is, you may be in big trouble if caught.

BigDave

WebmasterWorld Senior Member bigdave us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 5:52 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Aris1970,

There is a difference here, zardoz says that he is in a one year deal, and he wants to be able to undo what he has done after that one year.

Now I can certainly see removing any links that you have control over as part of an ongoing agreement. But I get the impression that he wants to undo ALL the PR for that site, including any that he convinced others to provide.

Brian

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 6:08 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I find it hard to believe that anyone asking this question genuinely has sufficient SEO skills to justifiably harbor such a potentially vindictive attitude towards customers. Personally, if I was selling myself in a trade, I wouldn't devote my efforts to damaging customers I'd fallen out with. I'd get on finding new ones.

fischermx

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Msg#: 30035 posted 6:12 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was going to say :


.. I just want to know if i have the power to take my work down after this year

Since you're asking HERE, then you do not! lol

webdude

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 6:18 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

fischermx

Couldn't agree more...

randle

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 6:26 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)


If you want something really fast, change all the filenames. Then no one will be linked to them.

That will do it, but the PR is not going to keep the site ranking well if left alone, nor will the site be assured of dropping if the PR is reduced.

wolverin

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 6:52 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Once I did a site for a non-profit organisation almost for free, we had a contract and they broke it. I did the website design and hosting, I even set up a streaming internet radio for them at no extra charge.

They were on top of google for their name and after they decided to go to someone else, their coding was so bad google isn't indexing them now - google is seeing a blank page for some reason.

After they broke the contract, apparently they expected the streaming radio to go on. After a few days I stopped it, and they started getting calls from people who used to listen to it!

aris1970

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 9:50 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is a difference here, zardoz says that he is in a one year deal, and he wants to be able to undo what he has done after that one year.

Now I can certainly see removing any links that you have control over as part of an ongoing agreement. But I get the impression that he wants to undo ALL the PR for that site, including any that he convinced others to provide.

Dear BigDave, I understand what you mean but I was just refering to the general statement about "scam" of Liane; maybe (?) zardoz is interested in finding ways to "protect" himself from scammers/clients.

I do understand that it's almost impossible to undo ALL the PR of a website but I think that there are cases when an SEO company is justified to TRY to minimize the PR and undo most of the actions it has taken for its client IF the client illegaly violates a contract.

kevinpate

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 10:06 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

>justified to TRY to minimize the PR and undo most
> of the actions it has taken for its client IF
> the client illegaly violates a contract

In general terms, such direct retaliation is rarely, if ever, an appropriate remedy for breech of contract, and may well prove self-defeating.

The SEO is entitled to what can be proven to be lost, i.e., the fee specified in the original agreement. Tanking a site, based on a sense of feeling justified, is not a wise step, and may generate its own set of problems.

walkman



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 10:38 pm on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

if I needed seo, I would definitely stay away from you. Something tells me that when removal of links, is not fast enough, you'll resort to more drastic methods and hurt the site, if he doesn't keep hiring you.

what if, while "boosting" the PR his site gets penalized, will you pay to make up the difference, or is this a one sided deal? Doesn't seem fair at all; what you're doing is very tricky. Yoru "friend" might end getting hurt big time by Google..

ann

WebmasterWorld Senior Member ann us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30035 posted 4:59 am on Jun 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I want to make someone a deal that i will work on his PR and the deal is for a one year i just want to know if i have the power to take my work down after this year"
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Soooo, how did this turn into a canceled contract? Sounds like some lies being told or someone pulling our legs.

Ann

vincevincevince

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Msg#: 30035 posted 10:03 am on Jun 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you hire me to help cash flow for your restaurant, I will start advertising your restaurant in the local area. When I stop working for you, I will stop distributing new flyers for your business (analogy: stop gaining new links, stop beautifying content), remove your poster from my own window (analogy: remove links to him from your own sites).

I would never contact the butcher across the road and tell him to take down your poster (analogy: request others remove links to his site). That would almost certainly be illegal.

If the client hadn't paid my invoice (notice I'm not saying if the contract cancelled) - I would persue it through the legal system. Although it is worth noting that if I 'cannot touch him' legally due to his geographical location, he most probably 'cannot touch me' legally and I'd may well take an entirely different approach.

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