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Do Visitors to a Site Increase PageRank?
RKrebs




msg:730370
 4:05 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)


Does having people clicking through your site improve your PR? If I have 10,000 people a month clicking on my site, will that ge me better PR than if I have 10?

Thanks in advance.

Ron

 

jeffb




msg:730371
 4:31 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

How many people visit your site has no effect on Page Rank. Page Rank is based purely on the links coming into your pages.

Frankly, seeing traffic as a means to obtain Page Rank, is thinking backwards. Your goal is to get traffic into your site so you can encourage them to take whatever action you created the site for them to take.

Seeing more green in your site's Page Rank bar should not replace the focus on leading people to the goal of your site as your ultimate goal.

About all I've found Page Rank to be good for is 1) stroking your ego, and 2) convincing inexperienced webmasters that your site is more valuable than others to trade links with.

Beyond that, its effect is minimal.

RKrebs




msg:730372
 5:06 am on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

That makes perfect sense to me, but from what I have read, you need a high page rank in order to attain higher listings in search engines. I have listed my site in about eery directory that I can find. My business is such that I cannot trade links with other people in my industry as they are also my competition. So my question is this., How do I move up in the search engines?

Lorel




msg:730373
 7:48 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

A lot of directories are run by databases and they often don't pass PR. Only submit to those that do if you're looking for PR.

jdhuk




msg:730374
 7:57 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Your PR question has been answered, just picked out something you mentioned...

I cannot trade links with other people in my industry as they are also my competition.

These would be considered the most valuable links to have.

grandpa




msg:730375
 7:59 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

you need a high page rank in order to attain higher listings in search engines.

That's not exactly correct. Your SE listing is independent of any page PR. I can point you pages with 0 PR that are in the top 10 for a given search... with some pretty good competition on that keyword/phrase.

My business is such that I cannot trade links with other people in my industry as they are also my competition. So my question is this., How do I move up in the search engines?

You don't have to exchange links with your competitors. Actually, I have given many of my competitors a one-way link from my site to theirs. But that's me..
To move up you need a few things:

  • patience
  • get links. Try to be related to your site, but not 100% absolutely necessary. The more related that are, the better.
  • keep building your site. Add more content, more pages.
  • keep your existing pages fresh. Re-check the html markup to make sure its valid. Re-word a phrase. Correct spelling eroors.
  • more patience
  • karmov




    msg:730376
     8:04 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

    you need a high page rank in order to attain higher listings in search engines

    It is one factor, but there are many, many other factors as well. Avoid PR tunnel vision. Dontt ignore it altogether, but look to all of the other factors that help websites rank well. Most of them can be found by reading around (Especially the WW library, it's full of gems).

    I cannot trade links with other people in my industry as they are also my competition

    This is true for most industries. Very few people want to link to their competitors. What you need to do is broaden your perspective a little. If you sell widgets, maybe there's a hobby site on maintaining widgets you could get a link from. Perhaps there's someone selling a gadget that's a perfect complement to your widget that you could work with. There are lots of opportunities out there, you just have to look very hard sometimes.

    Prolific




    msg:730377
     8:06 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

    That's not exactly correct. Your SE listing is independent of any page PR. I can point you pages with 0 PR that are in the top 10 for a given search... with some pretty good competition on that keyword/phrase.

    Just because the little green bar in the google toolbar shows a '0' does not mean that the site has a 0 page rank. I wouldn't trust the toolbar as it is lagged behind what the listings really are.

    jeffb




    msg:730378
     8:08 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

    I agree that Page Rank will not ensure you of a higher position in the search engine results. Unfortunately, as with all the other "solutions" that are touted, Page Rank is not a magic button you can push to bring you to the top of the rankings. It takes constant effort at building your site in a multitude of areas.

    As for link-building, there are some pretty good suggestions for creative link-building in this thread.

    [webmasterworld.com...]

    jdhuk




    msg:730379
     8:29 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

    Just to elaborate on my post what I mean is I believe it is very important to be "connected" to the top ranking sites (your competition) for your KW targets. Thats a good start and then you can concentrate on the many other related type sites.

    steveb




    msg:730380
     9:40 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

    "My business is such that I cannot trade links with other people in my industry as they are also my competition."
    "So my question is this., How do I move up in the search engines?"

    By not thinking things like that first sentence.

    digitalghost




    msg:730381
     9:51 pm on Jun 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

    >>Do Visitors to a Site Increase PageRank?

    Yes. ;) Indirectly though. The more visitors, the more eyeballs, the more eyeballs, the more likely it is that the owner of one of those pairs of eyeballs will link to you. People typically don't link to sites they don't visit. A single newsletter link can turn into hundred of IBLs. More visitors, more links, more PR. Simple eh?

    And yes, I know that's not the answer anyone expected from me.;)

    Forget about PR though. Concentrate on conversion rates.

    RKrebs




    msg:730382
     4:38 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

    Thank you all for your suggestions. I really appreciate them.

    giga




    msg:730383
     10:33 pm on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

    yes visitors to a site will increase your search engine position, however it may or may not increase your PR. We are interested in the bottom line which is SERPS and have noticed a definate trend of website traffic to search engine position, much much more so than PR in relation to your position in the results. Links will affect your PR the most, however i would not discount traffic as being an influential factor.

    I dont know how google tracks this data (I have numerous theories) but I know that it does play a very important role in the current results (at least for the past 8 months...)

    birdstuff




    msg:730384
     2:40 pm on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

    My business is such that I cannot trade links with other people in my industry as they are also my competition.

    I used to believe that too, but thankfully I found out that exchanging links with my competitors was not only wise, it was essential for the growth of my business. Today, my largest and most profitable site receives about 1/3 of its total traffic from my direct competitors, and that traffic converts like gangbusters.

    vincevincevince




    msg:730385
     7:16 pm on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

    I cannot trade links with other people in my industry as they are also my competition

    Consider why shoe shops always do better near other shoe shops. And butchers tend to like each others company. Even banks like to stick together.

    And if you are really worried, you can consider those who are selling in different countries to you, or those at higher prices!

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