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False PR?
I'm geting link exchange offers with fake PR.
Gavolar




msg:732065
 3:17 am on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got offered a few link exchanges today from what looks like fake PRanked pages..

Clues to looking fake:

There is no way of getting to the link page from the PR4 home page.

The link page is a PR4.

And no matter what you type in, the url pops up PR4.

i.e.

thesite.com/type-what-you-like-after-the-domain-the-page-will-rank-the-same-as-the-home.htm

Does any one now how there doing this? And should it be reported?

Thanks

 

ciml




msg:732066
 5:29 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Gavolar.

When Google merges two URLs (usually for 100% duplicate content served to Googlebot) the Toolbar shows the PR for both, even though only one is in Google.

The Toolbar is not a good guide for the real, current PageRank of a URL as it shows out of date PR, to a low resolution and with some differences (e.g. for dupe content, URLs with "?" in, etc.).

It's worth keeping in mind that Google probably don't consider the Toolbar's main purpose to be helping webmasters swap links to increase PageRank.

Rollo




msg:732067
 6:11 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is no way of getting to the link page from the PR4 home page.

Maybe it's being linked to from another internal page or even from another site. I doubt someone running a PR scam would make a phoney PR4. It'd be like a counterfeiter opting to make pennies instead of $20 bills.

Yes, forget about toolbar PR, when you exhcange links, exchange them with lots of relevant sites and don't make PR your primary focus.

nuevojefe




msg:732068
 6:17 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

<quote>I doubt someone running a PR scam would make a phoney PR4.</quote>

When I do... I mean when some people I know do this, they always use PR3-5. Why do a PR8 and have everyone and their mom trying to figure out where the pagerank is coming from. 99% see pr4 and they're happy, trade done.

Crush




msg:732069
 7:47 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

outrageous!

ann




msg:732070
 4:11 am on Jun 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

outside the toolbar, how do you check PR?

kamran mohammed




msg:732071
 10:45 am on Jun 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

And no matter what you type in, the url pops up PR4.

i.e.

thesite.com/type-what-you-like-after-the-domain-the-page-will-rank-the-same-as-the-home.htm

Hi Gavolar,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld.

I have also come across same probs lot of times in the past.

Either the website is using frames or some other tecniques.

The best way is to right click the URL and then open the page in new window rather than navigating.

Because most of the times webmasters include a frame with same color at top which..and when u navigate thru the site will be same and u think like all the pages have the same PR.

i hope that helps U..

Regards,

KaMran - White Eagle

stef25




msg:732072
 11:05 am on Jun 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

i have a site on www.site.com. the hosting company redirects is to www.othersite.com. (i purchased only the domain and it comes with "free redirect")

site.com has a PR of 4 (with no content)
othersite.com has a PR of 2

when i go to site.com, any internal link i click results in a PR4 page, but the URL always stays site.com

when i go to othersite.com, the PR changes for all pages

kevinpate




msg:732073
 11:15 am on Jun 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I suspect someone would bother to fake a low-mid PR is the same reason some folks created fake 20 dollar bills instead of 100 dollar bills: Lower payoff per incident, but higher payoff per day, and less scrutiny.

Hand your typically busy clerk a 50 or larger and s/he will study it because it's still something of a novelty to that clerk. Hand the typical clerk a 20 or a 10 and the change comes flying back with no more than a small glance at the corner of the bill to ascertain the denomination.

SlyOldDog




msg:732074
 11:21 am on Jun 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why does it matter? Pagerank is worthless these days anyhow. If you are dumb enough to chase it then you deserve to get burned.

petehall




msg:732075
 1:46 pm on Jun 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is something not right with the current PageRank system with regards to the depletion of PR.

i.e. PR never seems to fully fade away.

We have linked to numerous websites taking them from PR1-PR3 to an instant PR5, only to find that even months after their link is removed the PR remains a steady PR4.

Their PR is sustained after numerous PR updates - with no additional links sustaining PR4 I might add.

Have seen this across many sites, so it's not just a one off example.

petehall




msg:732076
 1:49 pm on Jun 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sorry, the relevance of my post wasn't really clear.

What I meant to say was try checking the backlinks to see where they get their PR from.

Be worried if there are no backlinks or have backlinks which appear to be from another source.

If a domain is redirected to another site to "steel" their PR then the backlinks should also appear to be bogus (i.e. they will match those of the site used to steel PR).

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