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Important tips that will get you from #30 to #1
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Expected Man




msg:727723
 4:51 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi mates, this is my first post here, congrats for all of you for the magnificant board. Well I wanted to know your feedbacks about what would get your site from ranking 30-40 to the first spot, lets consider that the basics are there, added some details as bold, red colours to emphasize the importance of keywords you optimize for, relevant backlinks, content, what else would make a difference in your opinion.\
Thanks

 

MHes




msg:727724
 5:57 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi

Welcome to the forum.

>red colours to emphasize the importance of keywords

Thats a new one on me.

ken_b




msg:727725
 6:13 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

The question is too broad to answer with any real meaning.

Getting a top ranking for "widget" is probably going to be a lot harder than getting a top ranking for "antique widget dealer in small town, USA"

eyezshine




msg:727726
 6:20 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just the keyword once in the title and in <H1 tag works best and then sprinkle the keyword around the page to get about 5-10% keyword density using well written sentences about the keyword.

Then the most important is getting links from other pages with the keyword in the links from other good sites to your page.

As for using red colors? I never heard that before either but I personally try to stay away from using fonts and colors unless I have to.

phantombookman




msg:727727
 6:25 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

A clean site with as many IBLs as possible with the required anchor text. It's an old chestnut but searches for 'miserable failure' or 'home' will tell you the overwhelming truth about the google algo, everything else is just tinkering.

Links are everything!

caveman




msg:727728
 6:34 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have had very good success with red colors.

Once though, I made too many words red on my homepage, and the homepage disappeared completely for several months. Won't do that again! ;-)

Expected Man




msg:727729
 6:52 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

right don't overuse teh red colour on your most important terms, varying the anchors is another important point and patience is the key lol

rich42




msg:727730
 6:52 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

My 2 bits:

Getting #1 for term X is presumably not the real goal.

Getting traffic relevant to your offerings is.

Don't get hung up on being #1 for your "dream keyword" - optimize for a large number of relavant terms that get some traffic.

Ie - getting #1 for "aquamarine widgets" might get 10x the traffic you'd get for "green widgets" at #15.

More specific tip - make sure your pages have enough unique content to plausibly be saying something. I've watched "focus" pages move up in rank substantially by just adding another 100 words of content.

Pico_Train




msg:727731
 7:44 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

By AdWords, saves time but not money...

Wizard




msg:727732
 7:58 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Apply to DMOZ and add relevant outbounds to high ranked sites :))

As for density, what do you guys think about 14%? Is it too much?

Expected Man




msg:727733
 8:02 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am talking about an adult site so there is no DMOZ here, density is supposed to be between 5%-10% I actually have it set at 30%, its not that important there is sites who rank well with no text at all, you just have to make it natural, talk about the product or whatever you selling using your keywords, watch not to overuse them thats all...For google I believe that backlinks are very important beside the anchors of course

ownerrim




msg:727734
 8:41 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Once though, I made too many words red on my homepage, and the homepage disappeared completely for several months. Won't do that again! ;-)"

Was your page background red as well?

j/k

caveman




msg:727735
 9:05 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ah c'mon ownerrim, I don't do stuff like that. You're probably confusing me with the mods. Except Brett of course. ;-)

theBear




msg:727736
 9:06 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

No, his background wasn't red but the page size jpeg was ;) .

BigDave




msg:727737
 9:24 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

First step, get to #29. Once you have achieved that, shoot for #28 . . .

It might seem like I am being flippant, and I am, but I'm also giving good advice.

If you are fixated on #1 for a specific term, instead of trying to improve all your rankings and traffic, it increases the likelyhood that you will do something stupid that will come back to bite you later. Unless, of course, you are playing with throw-away domains.

Depending on what the term is, it might be as easy as cleaning up your internal linking, or it might be impossible if you aren't a .gov or .edu site.

aris1970




msg:727738
 9:48 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

BigDave is absolutely right. Sometimes, targeting #1 can get you in big troubles. I think you should focus mainly on getting more backlinks with carefully-defined anchor text. I wish you best of luck.

Expected Man




msg:727739
 9:55 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

well I just checked my rankings its #10 for my major keyword, hehe my goal is #1 and I am targaeting my traffic etc the CTR is great lol

Panacea




msg:727740
 10:31 pm on Jun 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

…and finally after several years of following Googles rules, creating tons of great content, getting several thousand links, you will get to #1. However, your site will then disappear from Google for absolutely no reason and nothing you do will ever bring it back again!

Reid




msg:727741
 4:39 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"It is better to have 50 pages getting one referral each than to have one page getting 50 referrals"

Quoted (out of my head) from Brett's 'build a successful website in 365 days'

webdude




msg:727742
 5:58 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

caveman,

You should have varied the color... mix in some blue, green, purple, etc.

walkman




msg:727743
 6:29 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> First step, get to #29. Once you have achieved that, shoot for #28

I agree. Google is watching and if your links grow by 4000% in two weeks, you might end up on page 30 instead.

Expected Man




msg:727744
 6:43 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

what a usless answers lol

jgbmarc




msg:727745
 7:18 pm on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> I agree. Google is watching and if your links grow by 4000% in two weeks, you might end up on page 30 instead.

walkman, if this does happen (i think it did with one of my sites..). what is the fix? patience? scaling back? all the content added was relevant and there are a very mild use of adsense.

thank you

aris1970




msg:727746
 12:08 pm on Jun 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

jgbmarc, I think the answer is patience but mainly <keep working for getting more backlinks constantly>!

If your backlinks rocket for a double of weeks and then stabilize or decrease, a Google penalty will be pretty potential.

If your backlinks keep increasing, then Google may simply consider that your site is very interesting for the general public.

Just my 2 cents... Good luck.

arrowman




msg:727747
 1:38 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Next time please append a question mark to your subject line :-)

Rollo




msg:727748
 4:22 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'd optimize your pages in accordance with the sugesstions here (meta tags, keywords in body, onpage h1 tags) and then concentrate on link building. In Google especially, you move up with links... many low PR links or a few high PR links can both be signals of relevancy to Google. If you can get both in fair numbers, you probably will end up #1. Just make sure before the effort, you chose the right keywords to be #1 for...

wanna_learn




msg:727749
 6:33 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Did you try to analyse what other 29 above you are doing to be there? Also I always say instead of concentrating on "how to be #1" its better to find out "how to stay and sustain at #1 or even 11th for that matter"

santip




msg:727750
 6:54 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Expected_man,
Do you want to be top #1 in widget keyword?, check google on widget keyword:
#1 widget.co.uk:
title: Widget UK Ltd. - The Experts In Mobile Computing
#2 widget.com:
title: Widget UK - Portable Electronics Distribution
1. get widget on your domain
2. put widget as first word on your title
Do you get it?

SimmoAka




msg:727751
 7:19 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

red colours to emphasize the importance of keywords

Lol. The colourblind webmaster is screwed then ;-)

ezrydr




msg:727752
 7:40 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Caveman,

I read somewhere you want to keep your redword density below 5-7% :)

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