homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.145.183.169
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Pubcon Platinum Sponsor 2014
Home / Forums Index / Google / Google SEO News and Discussion
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: Robert Charlton & aakk9999 & brotherhood of lan & goodroi

Google SEO News and Discussion Forum

This 789 message thread spans 27 pages: < < 789 ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ... 27 > >     
Google Update Bourbon Part 3
Sweet Cognac

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 8:35 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Continued From:

[webmasterworld.com...]



My whole site has a new cache date of May 25th. Maybe once these other sites around me get recached, I won't hold such an honorable top position. But at least Google has found my pages worthy to sit in the Search again.:) It seems strange to look at the stats and see Google in there, after 6 months of just seeing Yahoo and MSN referrals.

My website has plenty of outbound links, but they are on relevant pages. The problem my site has always had, was a lack of "inbound links." I got tired of searching for people to link to me (with all the spammy sites around) and gave up. So my pages have acquired some links naturally I guess(and I'll bet I still don't have more than 30 inbound links for the whole site) Still have a PR4, which I've had since it disappeared in Nov.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 8:54 pm (utc) on May 27, 2005]

 

Dayo_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:41 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yep - was the same dc as a couple of nights ago - that did not turn into anything and I did not have a chance to have a look at the results before they disappeared.

So - it is a fair amount (not all) supplementals that have gone - dont know if this is because G has database problems/glitch (sp?) or if they are to be removed - or if it is only temp.

Will Spencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:42 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

HostingDirectory:

The homepage of the hammered site was/is tiny.

Just a few sentences.

Clint



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:46 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seeing something happening on 66.102.9.104
Looks like a lot more supplementals have been dropped. - Sometimes dancing in and out on other dcs.

Hmmm. Keep on dancing. (This is the dc that I saw for 2 seconds a couple of nights ago I think too)


Your post made me check again. See my post on page 16 #156. So, that phrase for which I WAS on the 1st page 1st hit a week ago (20th), and today and yesterday on the FORTH page, now, to my SHEER HORROR...I'M GONE! No where to be even found even when adding my biz name to the #$^%@!% search! KEEP UP THE "GOOD WORK" GOOGLE JERKS! You know, this is JUST LIKE having your identity ERASED!

[edited by: Clint at 6:47 pm (utc) on May 29, 2005]

Will Spencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:46 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Another thought:

This update is over a week old now.

If there was going to be a roll-back, it would have happened by now.

Gentlemen, we're on our own.

Clint



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:59 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

A continuation of of my message #183 above:
When I search for that phrase in quotes (PC hardware related phrase), one of my (get this) ONE PAGE SITES for a DOMAIN NAME FOR SALE in the MEDICAL FIELD shows up on the 1st page! Yes, that's right! (On the page I have "this site owned by blah-blah", etc., and the search phrase). Now you wanna talk about more non-relevant BS! Sure, at least a site shows up that "could" reach me.... if anyone happens to think to click a website in the MEDICAL FIELD when looking for HARDWARE!

I think I'll just take a bottle of Valium and go to "sleep".

MyWifeSays

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 7:40 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing irrelevant results for uncompetitive phrases but the results for competitive phrases look good.

Are any of you who are complaining about irrelevance looking at competitive phrases?

Will Spencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 7:56 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)


Is it conceivable and consistent with others findings that G lost a bunch of the full-page text data (or at least is broken and lost the ability to search on it) and is only searching on Title and anchor content at this point with the later taking precedence? Just a wild conjecture...
Think about it, test it out and let me know what you all think.

Mike:

For many of my SERPs, the results are all pages without relevant keywords in the title, filename, or meta tags.

To me, it is as Google is *only* looking at body text.

If Google were looking at title and anchor text, I would be #1. I dominate my competition on allinanchor: searches.

johnhh

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 9:00 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>For many of my SERPs, the results are all pages without relevant keywords in the title, filename, or meta tags

We noticed that a few days ago for some of our keyword combinations. So we have uploaded a few "test" changes to lower ranking pages to see any effect.

Have to wait and see...

garyr_h

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 9:05 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

64.233.171.104 still seems to be showing a lot of DMOZ titles/descriptions in their queries.

Will Spencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 10:17 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just found a page which is now beating my one of my pages in the SERPS.

The page:

1. Doesn't have the keyword phrase in the page title.
2. Doesn't have the keyword phrase in the page filename.
3. Doesn't have the keyword phrase in the page text.
4. Doesn't contain one of the three words in the keyword phrase at all - anywhere.
5. Has 0 backlinks.
6. Is in Chinese.

Sure Google... sure this is more "relevant" than a page which is all about that keyword phrase.

RichTC

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 10:46 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo UK

These Serps in 66.102.9.104 are a lot cleaner, big, big improvement.

Massive improvement over what we currently have, they return relevent results for a start, with less doorways, redirects and less poor quality directory sites. Results with some site content taken into account in relation to the search term.

Looks like all the balls are still up in the air?

fearlessrick

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 10:51 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Will, I'll agree with you on at least one point: we are on our own.

I was wondering when somebody would figure this out. Seems to me that after ten days, this is what google wants and it's what we've got.

Now the mods here keep wiping out my posts when I say things like this, but here goes...

If you've been negatively affected by this update, you need to find other ways to generate traffic. (and yes, Brett, that is a relevant statement, not off topic.)

Good luck. Happy Memorial Day - we can all remember what it was like two weeks ago.

theBear

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 10:58 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Will Spencer,

I have a set of search results that would make everyone really sick but I'd both be breaking a promise and the no specifics policy of this site.

It involves a set of indented search results that has the same page displayed in its two forms one over the other:

WWW.Result1.com/page.html
------ WWW.Result1.com/page.html
Result1.com/page.html
------ Result1.com/page.html

I was doing a search using a text string taken from WWW.Result1.com/page.html

The first result said showing 1 of 4 yada

So I clicked the display ommitted results and was dumbfounded.

I then looked at the html making up the result page and the hrefs were the same for the two WWW.Result1.com pages and likewise for the Results1.com pages.

Talk about a duplicate content problem :( .

This is all I can say since I promised the affected party I wouldn't disclose the domain.

MikeNoLastName

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 10:58 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>These Serps in 66.102.9.104 are a lot cleaner, big, big improvement

Wahoo! We moved up a whole 5 positions from 85 to 80 and from 95 to 94 on that IP. At that rate our site will be back where it was in about 6 months. Of course by then 11 people will be out of work, but since the US government hasn't stepped in yet over G ruining the economy I guess it doesn't matter.

BTW, I noticed the Google "Dissatisfied? Help us improve" link is either diabled or so bogged down with clickers that it doesn't even respond. Tell ya' something?

[edited by: MikeNoLastName at 11:02 pm (utc) on May 29, 2005]

RichTC

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 10:59 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reseller

Answer to earlier question. We see the results in UK filtered a little more as we tend to search on uk results only so it removes usa sites from the search.

However, if we are interested in global search then i believe the results are exactly the same.

Currently, it doesnt matter anyway because unless the SERPs change we still get the same cr@p. These results currently are the worst ever.

The new improved results at data centre 66.102.9.104 at least give hope that Google can recover but as yet i see no change anywhere else.

RichTC

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 11:06 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Mike

Share your frustration over googles results. All i would say is that "IT Looks Like" the update is still ongoing.

Certainly its plain to see that the current results are dire. Google must be able to see this? So anything i guess can still happen.

Good luck

johnhh

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 11:24 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>Of course by then 11 people will be out of work

We have a similar problem on a slightly smaller scale- perhaps a new thread starting "how to manage your company when google changes"?

Will Spencer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 11:51 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've figured out a wee bit of detail about the new algorithm.

I can't prove it, or even figure out how to really explain it, without listing specifics.

I have this group of ten pages. Each of them is optimized for two sets of keywords.

Until Bourbon, all of these pages ranked well for both sets of keywords.

After Bourbon, all of these pages continues to rank well for the first set of keywords, but completely fell out of the SERPS for the second set of keywords.

The format of the titles, h1 text, and anchor text for these pages is:

KEYWORD1 (Keyword2a Keyword2b Keyword2b)

These are acronyms.

My 10 pages still rate for KEYWORD1, but not for "Keyword2a Keyword2b, Keyword2c".

Keyword positioning doesn't seem to be the answer, because I have one page that looks like this:

KEYWORD1 (KEYWORD2) KEYWORD3 (KEYWORD4)

And, on this page, KEYWORD3 has not been hammered by Bourbon.

Unfortunately, one is a pretty small sample size.

It could be an issue as simple as Bourbon failing to handle parentheses correctly.

That would explain this small set of cases, but would not explain 1% of the damage which Bourbon hath wrought.

I just implemented a test for this change. Now I must wait for Google to read my pages and implement the changes in the database.

However, this could also point to a change in the way that Google handles multi-word searches.

That would be much more difficult to evaluate...

I cookie monster

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 12:47 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

With this update, my site has dropped from around 45,000 to 50,000 daily pageviews down to around 35,000 to 42,000. Google adsense is about half now. Strange thing is I can't tell why. When I search for any of my top keyword phrases (like "free widget"; a very competitive phase), I still rank the same or even a little better (high in top 10), with the exception of one term I am now #2 (from #1). The SERP results are just slightly shuffled, as usual with updates. Must be the oddball or longer phrases not ranking well. I dunno. I guess I need better stats.

I do have a few external links to similar subject sites in the footer of each page (usually much less than number of internal links though). Maybe that is why.

My favorite messed-up SERP result is still there in the top 20 for many phrases such as "free widget" -- only thing is it has been almost 4 years that the site ceased to have anything to do with anything related to "free" or "widget". It has been totally different subject for years, and there are no phrases remotely related to "free widget" on the site. I think a scraper would be a better result.

nzmatt

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 1:09 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Bourbon is a success!

In my industry anyway.

For the first time there is no crap on the first 3 pages...maybe they are beginning to get it right.

rise2it

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 3:31 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Like someone mentioned about 10 pages back, everyone is doing a lot of wheel spinning on this one, just like many other G updates over the last 18 months.

Remember tomorrow is a holiday - there's nothing you can do but get high blood pressure from this.

Go spend some time with your family - visit some old friends, etc.

This crap will be here when you get back.

What makes this board great is that it's full of highly motivated people that can 'run through walls', but remember the old saying:

"God, grant me the wisdom to change the things I can,
Accept the things I can't,
and the wisdom to know the difference."

Don't forget what's REALLY important in life...

kwngian

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 3:36 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)


The changes this few days in the algo doesn't look good.

Looking at the number of crap referrers in my log file, I believe the scrappers are having a field day yesterday.

Interent Yogi

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 4:24 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have done Beyond Good for a site that has been AWOL for a year . A white hat site that is where it should be.

max_mm

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 4:33 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)


The changes this few days in the algo doesn't look good.
Looking at the number of crap referrers in my log file, I believe the scrappers are having a field day yesterday.

I'm seeing the same thing on my logs. Scrappers traffic galore.

Google's (new) engineers have turned this search engine into a scrapper buddy. A good example of the very sad direction they are taking the entire web nowadays.

What a freaking sad mess GOOGLE is turning to be. From the smartest search engine on earth to the dumbest hit and miss indexing erratic bug i have ever seen.

Thier mission statement of “organizing the information on the web” looks like a worn piece of toilet paper after this latest update(s). Seems like they need to first orgenize the process of decission making at the plex. It feels like mess it looks like a mess....it must be a mess.

[edited by: max_mm at 4:41 am (utc) on May 30, 2005]

MikeNoLastName

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 4:40 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

"perhaps a new thread starting "how to manage your "company when google changes"? "

Perhaps a new thread entitled, "how the US gov should take over Google as a mismanaged, monopolistic utility and threat to the world's economic well-being which needs to be supervised and regulated."

"oil for rankings" anyone? :)

BTW, first reports are in on our latest experiments... One page which had dropped 80 places... I took off all the external links and Adsense on it a couple days ago as reported on this thread. It was respidered yesterday and today is up 8 positions to 77! I am now restoring the old page to see if it drops back.

annej

WebmasterWorld Senior Member annej us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 5:07 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a smaller site, related in topic to my big site but less formal. The larger site is doing as well as ever if not a bit better with Bourbon. The smaller site has dropped (all its pages are not doing as well as before in the serps).

I'm trying to figure out what is different about the two sites. I do much more internal linking on the larger site that is still doing well. That is the only thing I can think of.

Is there a thread yet for analyzing update Bourbon?

reseller

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 5:26 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just wanted to wish our American Fellow members a Happy Memorial Day

steveb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member steveb us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 5:48 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hideous set of results just appeared on 64.233.171.99

Almsot like you have to be a redirect to rank, prefereably with 100,000+ blog links.

max_mm

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:09 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a smaller site, related in topic to my big site but less formal. The larger site is doing as well as ever if not a bit better with Bourbon. The smaller site has dropped (all its pages are not doing as well as before in the serps).
I'm trying to figure out what is different about the two sites.

Give it more time. The second site will also disappear the minute you gain enough redirects and incoming scrapper links. Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

McMohan

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:42 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just saw 2 of my sites go from oblivion to #1 over at IP ranges -

64.233.171.
216.239.57.
64.233.179.
64.233.185.
64.233.187.
64.233.189.

Those 2 sites are in two unrelated segments, and that makes it interesting.

reseller

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29621 posted 6:47 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

annej

> I do much more internal linking on the larger site that is still doing well. That is the only thing I can think of.<

And it seems that internal linking is a very important factor, at present.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I thinks the more internal links the page contains the more "protected" and "Google respected" it is.

With a high number of internal links on a page, you can also list high number of outbound links (though maximum less than 100 and equal or less than the number of internal links) on a page without the page loosing its position on the serps. But of course, I can´t say that its a general rule ;-)

This 789 message thread spans 27 pages: < < 789 ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 ... 27 > >
Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Google / Google SEO News and Discussion
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved