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Google Update Bourbon - Part 1
Has the sandbox been busted?
Dayo_UK




msg:767441
 8:35 am on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


Seeing something happening on 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104 - might be worth keeping an eye on.

 

idolw




msg:767681
 3:42 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

for me they still differ by +/- 1 place in the SERPs.

helleborine




msg:767682
 3:46 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Could the "stemming" interfere with your actual business name coming up as the perfect match it should be? I'm beginning to wonder.

danny




msg:767683
 3:48 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV wrote:
I lost 75% of my Google referrals in the March 23 update, and now it's worse

I lost 85% of my Google referrals on February 3rd, but now I seem to have lost the last 15% as well - I can barely find a page on my site that ranks anywhere on any search term :-(

DaveAtIFG




msg:767684
 4:01 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've been following "keyword keyword computers" vs "keyword keyword computer" for several years. It's a moderately competitive area but not at all "spammy." For the past year, when the SERPs are stable, the top 10 are identical, no need to check deeper. :) During updates (major, minor or PR) they invariably diverge briefly as the update progresses.

Good to see ya renke!

Pico_Train




msg:767685
 4:06 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, I have noticed this happen as well. During an update, results tend to be 50-50. This is exactly what I see for the keywords I monitor. Some usual suspects and some "who are you?" results. I'm in neither unfortunately for now but am quite confident that the more appropriate results, including my own will return in the next couple of hours/days.

Kangol




msg:767686
 4:07 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Right now I see two set of results. Last night I was on 64.233.163.104 on #11 for a competitive keyword.
Today I am not in 64.233.163.104 even for my site name.
Is anyone having the same problem?

larryhatch




msg:767687
 4:12 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello all: For a testm I just Googled up the single keyword Viagra, just like that.

I was expecting a face full of cra*.

Instead, I found pages from original drug company right up top, followed by sensible articles etc.,
plus one very humorous (and to me original) site about email spam.

Offhand, I'd say that's a damned good set of results for the first page at least.
I suggest the same exact test for Y and MSN and others. -Larry

ugnius




msg:767688
 4:14 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Danny..
checked my stats: the situation is similar. Normally I had more than 1000 referrers from google per 1 hour, now I can hardly see google referrers in my list..
Just Yahoo, MSN and referrers from links.
The first 75% drop I got on march 23, the last 25% dropped today.

frup




msg:767689
 4:14 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Kangol, I have two sites where they are not coming up for site name at all or on page 2 or 3. These are sites that have high pagerank and ranked well previously. I have seen similar things in previously updates usually that is fixed within a few days.

Kangol




msg:767690
 4:19 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Frup - hope it will happen to my site also. BTW the site was on the 7th page since the last update and last night I was hopping that I will stay in the first 20 results...

[edited by: Kangol at 4:23 pm (utc) on May 21, 2005]

brokenbricks




msg:767691
 4:20 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

The opposite has happend to me, I am #1 now for my company name and before I didn't rank anywhere.

However, I still appear to be sandboxed for my main keywords, ##280-350 depending on datacenter...so what does this mean? Am I getting out or what?

walkman




msg:767692
 4:30 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Instead, I found pages from original drug company right up top, followed by sensible articles etc.,
plus one very humorous (and to me original) site about email spam. "
Great. Now I have to keep scrolling till I find the pharmacy. :).

Powdork




msg:767693
 4:30 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV, How long ago did you implement your 301 from www to non-www? I see all supplemental results when doing site:www but none (and many more pages) when doing it without the www. I recently removed the 301's I had in place when I started my site and it appears to be doing well this update, although I can't say that is the reason. Personally, I don't trust G's ability to handle redirects of any sort anymore.

What is a Rencke?

George123 - Google didn't lose $200 a day, they just decided to give it to someone else. With you and EFV having problems someone in the European travel sector must be having a field day.

walkman




msg:767694
 4:40 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

what not to e-mail Google:
"I just emailed Adsense today ,I don't give a a cent about if there spyes are here and they will find out who i am and close my account in adsense,they just lost over 200 $ a day only from my site.If they will go on with those updates every week,thats a Goodbye Google in a couple of Years,and by the way there are out there other search Engines like Yahoo and Msn and more to come in next years(Larry page and co are not the only genius in the planet),soon others they will create same programs like adsense and GREAT SEARCH ENGINES),My site will exist when Google will be bankrupt .Like Neuton sayed what goes up must come down.I use to gamble in stock exchange and I have seen ups and downs and bankrupts.In our free enderprise Capitalist system your enemy wait you to make just one mistake ,and there has the chance vanish you.I have a site made 3 years ago with 90% one way links from the most Authority sites PR9 because my unique and informative content,a lot of free yahoo listings because my unique and informative content,bbc recomended pbs.org recomended usatoday recomended,what the h$%^&l they want more.Instead Crap keep on taking my place with black SEO tricks(i informed them about in [google.com...]
targeting spamers that are enjoing top 10 listings and bullet proof since florida update,
My bloody site that I work 4 years now ,spend thousands for my archive ,spend thousand of travel cost for unique content ,put my mariagge in problems took me to hospital on Christmas days because of an other GREAT BRAINS ALGO UPTDATE? OF GOOGLE is always the victim.GOOGLE GUYS FOR GOD PLEASE. JUST TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY SITE AND I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT HELL ANY TIME YOU THINK YOU MAKE A NEW INDEX WHILE SPAMERS ARE ALWAYS THERE."

First, you don't threaten them. They could care less. Another site got your adsense money, it's that plain and simple so Google is not losing anything.
Second, if I was a Google engineer, I would hate to get that e-mail, and would look for an excuse to penalize your site even more.
Third, you posted your site here, and without going into too many details, those few pages I checked, just had the name changed. Like saying Car insurance, have a generic paragraph and only change the state from NJ, to CA, to LA and so on. Sorry, but you asked for it by putting the site here and challenging people.

Relax...take a week or so off and look at it differently.

oldpro




msg:767695
 4:47 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just an observation...it seems this update targets the "money" keywords. In the serps for my "widget" every site in the top 20 (with the exception of the top 5) are shifting +/- 3-4 spots. I am still holding the #1 position on the on kw phrases like "wholesale widgets", "instructions for widgets", "benefits of widgets", etc., and the serps below me on the phrases are staying the same also.

I am wondering if one of the primary variables in this update concerns the primary "money" keywords people bid on for adwords?

walkman




msg:767696
 4:51 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I am wondering if one of the primary variables in this update concerns the primary "money" keywords people bid on for adwords?"
if you search for "widget", I think they're assuming that you want info about, not a store to buy it...unless it's clearly an item like Sony DVu-Svcfdg or whatever :)

larryhatch




msg:767697
 4:58 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gee walkman:

"Great. Now I have to keep scrolling till I find the pharmacy. "

Via6ra is easy to get, check your email. Google for aspirins too. Has G been unkind to you?

What I don't understand is all that Russian spam about sqeretzl. I don't know sqeretz from spaghetti,
and their letters 'R' are simply ass backwards. Does anyone in Russia expect me to order some sqeretz
because of a spam email? - Larry

Total Paranoia




msg:767698
 4:58 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

if you search for "widget", I think they're assuming that you want info about, not a store to buy it

I personally always search "buy widget" if searching for "widget" just returns info pages and I am looking for stores to buy from. Either that or I go to froogle or another popular price comparison site :) - Its just a shame other Joe searchers do not seem to be doing this.

Nay, its nice to see a fair mix of ecom sites and info sites in results.

[edited by: Total_Paranoia at 5:00 pm (utc) on May 21, 2005]

topprospectalert




msg:767699
 5:00 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site has tanked as well on about 98% of my main keyphrases that had been #1 to #4 in the rankings. Now they are 5th to 8th page or worse down in the rankings behind, for the most part, garbage. What's interesting is my homepage went from a PR4 back to a PR6 on Friday. The last time the site was PR6 a few months ago, I had #1 keyword for nearly 100% of my main terms. I thought I'd move up or down a couple of spots with this update, but never imagined it would tank me again. Google traffic is down about 90% so far today. Hopefully will get bumped up some before everythings is said and done. Also of note, I had (and still have) a huge influx of Googlebots on the site this morning, right after the rankings shuffled. I haven't seen this many Googlebots for about three weeks.

patchacoutek




msg:767700
 5:01 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

To me it si clear the update is not finished at all, but still there are string tendencies in falling down in the serps for me. Damn.

Losing 20 places in the serps is bad but its the life of SEO entrepreneur to try to adapt and regain those positions.

The only thing that I think are really bad is how can asite that has been top 1 for 2 years now can be found at position 200 and more, on all datacenters. What could have changed so much?

My guess, is that google will wants less on page optimization, and less optimized anchor text internal linking... but its just my gut feeling

what do you think?

FromRocky




msg:767701
 5:05 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

What's interesting is my homepage went from a PR4 back to a PR6 on Friday. The last time the site was PR6 a few months ago, I had #1 keyword for nearly 100% of my main terms.

It seems Google just replaced the current PR by using the previous one. There are many posts in this thread reported this behavior. Hope it will be changed soon.

nutsandbolts




msg:767702
 5:06 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

> what do you think?

I think it's *way* too early to panic :) Give it time to sort itself out. The update is far from over.

steveb




msg:767703
 5:25 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Stemming always makes my head hurt, but each time Google turns the stemming knobs, significant things happen. In this case it appears they have added some new singular/plural combos.

Venix




msg:767704
 5:37 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

5 year old site. Thousands of pages with original content. Used to rank #1 to 10 for most of my main keywords. Checked this morning the site is now #100+ for almost all the same keywords. I have to wait a few days and see how much this will impact me, but it dosen't look good :(

europeforvisitors




msg:767705
 5:39 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV, How long ago did you implement your 301 from www to non-www? I see all supplemental results when doing site:www but none (and many more pages) when doing it without the www

I implemented thr 301 redirect at the end of March, about a week after I got whacked by Google's March 23 update.

Re those site:www and site:[non-www] results: I've been seeing those for quite some time, and the numbers of each haven't changed in a few days. I'm still seeing the same numbers of results for both that I was seeing before this latest update.

Jeez, what a day. My main computer's c: drive just got trashed this morning. Talk about insult being added to injury!

[edited by: europeforvisitors at 5:40 pm (utc) on May 21, 2005]

oldpro




msg:767706
 5:40 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

[ personally always search "buy widget" if searching for "widget" just returns info pages and I am looking for stores to buy from. Either that or I go to froogle or another popular price comparison site :) - Its just a shame other Joe searchers do not seem to be doing this.]

paranoia,

I agree with that. "Joe Searcher" is one of the reasons we see so many scraper doorway pages. And I agree with you on there being more of a mix of store and info sites for "widgets" appearing with this update. I would say that in the real world when Joe/Jane searcher types in "widgets" it's 50/50 whether they are looking to buy or looking for information.

This update may be more geared toward fine tuning the serps in response to searcher behavior more so than penalizing whatever google may consider to be blackhat seo

clearvision




msg:767707
 5:54 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone see how this new update is indexing? Is it grabbing, number of pages in site, keywords, meta, links? One of our larger sites that was top for its keyword for the last 3 years, 1,000's of pages has just lost it's place for almost all keywords to About.com...they even started to use our sites keyword name in the title before the index and we still topped them...seems this index liked our title better on their site :z

testy




msg:767708
 5:55 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

has anyone seen the updates reflect in google.com?

no updates have taken place so for from india -

clearvision




msg:767709
 6:01 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes! Just noticed the big drop this morning and started testing keyword phrases to find that one of our big sites is lost...a real shock I might add!

Now I am just trying to figure out what the bots are searching and weighing so I can find out why it tanked.

chopin2256




msg:767710
 6:01 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Previously, I was dropped completely from google. For now (maybe just this minute), I am ranking normally again at www.google.com, but that doesn't make me feel better. At this datacenter, 64.233.163.104, this is where my dropped rankings are. I don't know what to make of this.

quotations




msg:767711
 6:13 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

We dropped by over 50 percent on a major information site today.

I am not seeing the reason for the drop in the SERPs on any of the data centers.

Everything looks very similar to how it did before with some minor changes (Meredith's mega-spam sites are doing much better.)

Someone from Google visited yesterday so it looks like they are hand tweaking again.

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