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Google Update Bourbon - Part 1
Has the sandbox been busted?
Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 29524 posted 8:35 am on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

continued from: [webmasterworld.com...]


Seeing something happening on 64.233.163.104 and 64.233.167.104 - might be worth keeping an eye on.

 

clearvision

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 10:27 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh my goodness, the cheesiest site I have ever seen has just taken the #2 spot under an about.com site page (which incidentally was where we were yesterday)...bouncing us down to #10.

Question: Our sites page titles and descriptions where heavily lifted by scrapper sites ( meaning we ranked #1 for some one & two word keyword phrases and they copied our content for their sites "directory") Do you think Google just puts in a filter that says, "any site with this title gets blasted"

I need a either a stiff drink or a tylenol! :)

Going from over $200/day to only $25/day...gulp

spaceylacie

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 10:54 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Is there any crust on the lava yet or is it still cooking?"

Evidently, it's still cooking. Wait til Monday... wait til Tuesday... wait til Wednesday... that's the advice I've taken in so far.

reseller

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 11:15 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

spaceylacie

>Wait til Monday... wait til Tuesday... wait til Wednesday... that's the advice I've taken in so far.<

Waiting for only few days? Lucky you. I have been waiting since 3rd Feb 2005 for my lost Google traffic to return back (:(

coconutz

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 11:15 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I haven't posted in an update thread since Florida. I haven't analyzed this one too heavily, but it seems similar. Once again, after doing well for years, with Bourbon, things are now tanking, like when Florida hit. Not even ranking for the company name.

I find myself in a similar situation. This is the first time in 3 years that we've lost positions - a quoted search for our company name returns us on page 3. I really hope this doesn't stick.

spaceylacie

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 11:30 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh, I've been waiting since mid-December to get rankings back. They are back, but how long will they stay? People are saying "wait", and then I will know.

I want to know today, not Monday or Wednesday.

macdave

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 11:38 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Both our traffic and our positions in the SERPs look eerily similar to what they were just before the last PR update. I suspect that PR has either been rolled back or not yet factored into this update.

reseller

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Msg#: 29524 posted 11:45 pm on May 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Once again, after doing well for years, with Bourbon, things are now tanking, like when Florida hit<

Talking about Florida update, I found this thread including interesting posts from GG. Maybe Bourbon is the little brother of Florida :)

[webmasterworld.com...]

weela

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 12:09 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interesting keyword1+keyword2+review yields a site with ZERO mention of either keyword, whereas my 1500 word unique review of the product is neatly tucked away on page 3 of the results, relevance? or joke?

gmac17

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 12:58 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV - Hacked?

skippy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 1:12 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ouch...Looks like it is just the index page which is some what lucky

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 1:42 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV - Hacked?

You mean, as in hijacked? I don't believe so.

weela

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 1:44 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Uh, take a look again.

dacapo

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 1:47 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV - Hacked?
Indeed i just show the hacked page,it seems the web has become OK coral,soon we will see gunfights.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 1:55 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jeez. That must have happened this afternoon when I was at my son's graduation party. Thanks for the heads-up!

BillyS

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Msg#: 29524 posted 2:14 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ouch, got Root huh. I looked around too, seems like they only took out the home page. That was nice of them (I think).

I Googled one guy's name and he appears to have been doing this at least since 2002. Looks like he's got his sig on 300+ sites. I also noticed he hacked a high school in New York. Probably his... Punks like that make mistakes.

kamikaze Optimizer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 2:15 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

First, Sorry to you EFV, I have a sql php site that gets hit a lot. I have learned much about prevention in the past few months. Good Luck

On another note: PR UPDATE!

Now this is odd. The seo PR tools do not show it, but if I click to my site via a MSN search, I show a jump in PR on one of my sites from PR5 to PR7. This site has never been anything but a PR5 but got a PR9 slashdot link this week.

BillyS

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Msg#: 29524 posted 2:28 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Not seeing a PR update on the tools I use...

I do see Googlebot hard at work on my site. Very odd, since I normally get this type of visit about 5 - 7 days after an update.

stuartmcdonald

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 2:31 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing the same as Kamikaze - only if I search for my site via msn. Change is from 4 to 7 -- given past experience with sudden leaps, plus it is not showing on firefow, I'd say this is a glitch.

kamikaze Optimizer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 2:41 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

stuartmcdonald
I'd say this is a glitch.

Please do not rain on my parade.

:)

kamikaze Optimizer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 2:50 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Stuart:

I think you are correct. When I do a toolbar back link search while on the PR7, I get this:

Your search - link:http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www...

and not this:

Your search - link:http://www...

Oh well..., it was nice for 30 minutes

irock

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 3:10 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just wondering, does anyone know if Google is after sites using excessive pop-unders in this update? My site has quite a few.

kamikaze Optimizer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 3:18 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just wondering, does anyone know if Google is after sites using excessive pop-unders in this update? My site has quite a few.

irock - shame on you :)

If via java, you have nothing to worry about.

The word is that sites with <iframe> are toast.

helleborine

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 3:18 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have not a single popunder.

Last week I ranked first. This week Google is popping me under 150 less relevant sites.

mrMister

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Msg#: 29524 posted 3:47 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

If via java, you have nothing to worry about.

If they are in Java he has everything to worry about.

For a start it's impossible to create pop-unders in Java!

I'd find that worrying!

Kirby

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 3:49 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Both our traffic and our positions in the SERPs look eerily similar to what they were just before the last PR update. I suspect that PR has either been rolled back or not yet factored into this update.

Directory PR has changed recently. The foolbar PR seems to lag behind directory changes by a couple of updates.

irock

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Msg#: 29524 posted 3:55 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

kamikaze Optimizer,

But have you heard of any cases that Google demotes sites that use pop-unders excessively?

If via java, you have nothing to worry about.

Tribal Fusion runs pop-unders via Javascript. That's not the same as Java though.

I also use some iframes for legit purpose. Is Google after legit use of iframes? I don't know.

kamikaze Optimizer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 4:20 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

irock:

If you use <iframe> and the word is you are toast - regardless of why you use it.

I have not heard of any pop under issues.

mrMister: I can pop under via java. You can't? It has been a few years but I am sure I have a backup of the script and I am 100% sure it is a java pop under.

caine

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 4:25 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

If things keep on going the way they are i am going to be having a bad day.

1 site has completely gone though its fate was questionable after Florida, how ever i'm watching another Authority site #1 for everything targetted (clean as a whistle) just get completely wipped out. Bad NEWS.

Its still switching around - so it ain't concrete!

ugnius

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 4:30 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Painful to look at my top refferers. Google used to be at 60% (with all other Google tlds at 80%)

Yahoo! Web Sites 59.11%
MSN 14.19%
Google 9.74%
AltaVista 4.17%
Yahoo! Web Sites Canada 3.48%
All the Web 1.25%
Yahoo! Web Sites U.K. 0.83%
Overture 0.83%
Yahoo! Web Sites Singapore 0.83%
MSN Australia 0.70%
Dogpile 0.70%
Search.com 0.56%
Yahoo! Web Sites France 0.56%
...

chopin2256

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 5:09 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I used to rank in Google well...site was out of sandbox, used to get 1200 visitors a day:

An interesting observation, to me, and for those of you who do not rank in Google anymore. Try putting in ridiculously weird keyphrase combinations. Use like 5 or 6 keyphrases that you know no one else should rank for. When I do this, I am not on top! There are a few sites that are above me, and I am under many crap sites that dont even specialize in what I do. For example, I specialize in x. So I put in 1 or 2 keyphrases that I specialize in plus my name, a cryptic keyphrase, and maybe my company name. Some site that is crap (no backlinks, site not even about the keyphrase..etc) ranks above me! This has to be some kind of ridiculous penalty...anyone else who got hit hard, experience this? This makes no sense, I am a musician and piano composer, and I know so much about music, recording, midi, composition, and the composers, and some stupid site ranks above my speciality...the site cannot compare to my site regarding that keyphrase. I understand competition, and I am not saying that just because I like music, I should rank well...but considering my experiment, I should outrank that site, and I do not.

Heres a laugh. Get this, my favorite composer is Chopin (cant you tell) ...I spent alot of time writing a really good biography, all from my head...dedicated to Chopin. SEO is all white hat. I have a link in DMOZ and MusicMoz about Chopin. I have plenty of good relevant backlinks as well. My site is extremely music themed, and its obvious that I honor Chopin much throughout my site. My site was out of the sandbox, and I DID rank number one for this not so competitive keyphrase. You can safely say that I know everything about this composer. Do I rank for his name? I tried putting in his name, with many other cryptic keyphrases, and I rank number 10. Many other sites are ahead of me, and I know this shouldn't be the case. No one knows Chopin more than myself. Not even amazon :( This is weird, and while some webmasters are doing well, I still think theres alot of unjustified site rankings, at least as of now.

irock

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 29524 posted 5:15 am on May 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

chopin2256,

Hi, I haven't seen your site so I don't know. But after this hit, my SEO believes strongly that my 'excessive pop-unders' from Tribal Fusion have something to do with my adverse circumstance right now. Someone here also blamed it on the iframe which I also have a quite a few. I really used it for legit reason. Though, I'm not sure if Google shares my point of view.

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