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Minor Shuffling - Incremental Indexing
Not enough changes to be an update.
alexdo




msg:724972
 7:02 pm on May 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

hi to all off google watchers

I see a huge changes in google serps across all the google datacenters in europe and asia but US serps are the same...

A few of my site goes up and a few goes down

Did you see the same changes?

Thanks

Alex

 

oldpro




msg:725032
 5:24 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Minor shuffle? I'm bouncing back and forth like a ping pong ball. The deck is long over due for a re-shuffling. Just hope when the smoke clears I am dealt a good hand. What else are they saying "on the street" Brett?

Pico_Train




msg:725033
 5:25 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Could be industry or section specific.

helleborine




msg:725034
 5:26 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe you could check my site as a fine example of a legitimate site going from first place to nowhere. I don't even know where to start to try to figure it out myself.

g1smd




msg:725035
 6:01 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

For some site:domain.com searches I see zero results, but if I repeat the search with something like site:domain.com someword then I start seeing lots of results.

How's that work?

Brett_Tabke




msg:725036
 6:06 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Brett, which street is that?

Corner of Haight and Ashbury

ownerrim




msg:725037
 6:18 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

anyone else seeing toolbar pagerank changes?

robho




msg:725038
 6:22 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

One of my sites had 1.3 million pages in Google last week. It's now dropped to 850,000 (and falling).

650,000 of those are are URL-only. Of the ones that remain with snippet and cache, all 200,000 were most recently crawled AFTER May 1st.

This isn't to say that all pages crawled after May 1st are in Google, but EVERY page last crawled before May 1st has gone or is url-only.

digitalv




msg:725039
 6:22 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

anyone else seeing toolbar pagerank changes?

Yup. My PR9 site dropped to an 8 this morning, but all of my other 8 sites are still 8's.

How often is PageRank usually updated?

janethuggard




msg:725040
 6:23 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google updated on my hub, 12th, 13th, 14th, and 15th.

All sites in my network were updated May 13, 14, and 15. Results were posted on the 16th. and we picked up positive movement on hundreds of keywords.

There were no pr changes any where in my network.

dazzlindonna




msg:725041
 6:31 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Brett, which street is that?

Corner of Haight and Ashbury

LOL! That's reliable info then! I used to live there. The glazed eyes on the street would have spoken volumes about the level of reliableness. :)

Namaste




msg:725042
 6:36 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

It appears that Google has re-categorized it's own directory. My site was was a top 10 site for widgets, but the home page has vanished from the top 20.
Inside pages are intact

Namaste




msg:725043
 6:40 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

PR has also dropped on the Mozilla bar, but is intact on the IE bar

McMohan




msg:725044
 6:41 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Something is up with 64.233.187.104, but nothing so drastic that it would be called an update... but -

- One thing that stands out for me is my sandboxed sites that weren't even ranked for their own names are atleast ranked #1 rightfully now. Hope this shuffling turns out to be an update.

[edited by: McMohan at 6:43 pm (utc) on May 17, 2005]

Namaste




msg:725045
 6:43 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

yes, it is a recategorization. I am now top 10 for related category, but not my original category

jack_dt




msg:725046
 6:50 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Got went up 2 spots to 3rd place on the most coveted spot in my industry. Good times.

brunner




msg:725047
 7:41 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Should we expect another update soon? Or this was about it this month?

Namaste




msg:725048
 7:47 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

hey, am back in top 10 for original category! on main and in several data-centers.

G, don't give me heart attacks!

helleborine




msg:725049
 8:01 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you search - and this is fictional - "helleborine's amazing widget plans" my 18 month old hugely popular and critically acclaimed site doesn't show up.

SERPs:

1. Google directory page.
2,3,4,5. Krappy link pages with a link to my site.
6. My site's listing in Joe Ant.
7,8. Krappy link pages with link to my site.
9. Scraper.
10. Topical message board with "helleborine" as a member.

I guess I'll have to scrape by without any Google traffic until Larry and Sergei come to their senses.

I'm still #1 with Yahoo...

dazzlindonna




msg:725050
 8:08 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you search - and this is fictional - "helleborine's amazing widget plans" my 18 month old hugely popular and critically acclaimed site doesn't show up.

SERPs:

1. Google directory page.
2,3,4,5. Krappy link pages with a link to my site.
6. My site's listing in Joe Ant.
7,8. Krappy link pages with link to my site.
9. Scraper.
10. Topical message board with "helleborine" as a member.

Sounds exactly like what happened to a site of mine a couple months ago. The top 30 sites are all sites that link to mine . Some are krappy low PR link pages. Some are decent sites like the DMOZ listing with my link on it.

Maybe this is a continuation of whatever happened back then. Part Two, so to speak, where the next round of sites/themes/whatever are hit.

arubicus




msg:725051
 8:18 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

It sounds awfully familiar to me!

europeforvisitors




msg:725052
 8:22 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sounds exactly like what happened to a site of mine a couple months ago. The top 30 sites are all sites that link to mine . Some are krappy low PR link pages. Some are decent sites like the DMOZ listing with my link on it.

Maybe this is a continuation of whatever happened back then

In the last couple of months, huge template-driven sites have done extremely well in my sector. (Sometimes the page have no content other than a title, a headline, and "Post a review.") I wonder if Google isn't giving too much weight to the sheer number of pages in a domain. That might account for why you're seeing scraper sites do so well.

aleksl




msg:725053
 8:26 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'll have to scrape by without any Google traffic until Larry and Sergei come to their senses

<speculation>
Larry and Sergei no longer run the show. Last time I checked (last videoconference I've seen), Sergei was responsible for some HR-retention-human capital, your typical "boss's wife" responsibility. Whoever runs the show will make you and me and Johnny-boy and Sally-girl to get by.
</speculation>

Still no traffic from Google$ across 7 of my pure-original-content sites, the oldest of which was #1 in Directory untill some 2 months ago, when it disappeared.

Google$ stinks.

arubicus




msg:725054
 8:31 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

How old is your oldest one?

Is it completely gone or just url only?

2 months ago we lost everything.

Only about 50 of the pages remained with title and descriptions which were mostly old 301 redirects being thrown back into the results.

Another 100 just title.

We have thousands of pages.

We are still trying to recover. Just bit by bit we are slowly on our way back.

[edited by: arubicus at 8:35 pm (utc) on May 17, 2005]

aleksl




msg:725055
 8:34 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

How old is your oldest one?

It is 2.5 years old, used to be top of the directory category and #1 in traffic in the niche. Also, It used to have the highest PR in category. Main page is gone from Google, which is pretty much same as ban. Main page should've been PR7 (so you guessed it, site is no fluke).

Actually, with this today's chage a few subdirectory pages were downgraded from PR6 to PR5. But nothing surprises me anymore.

We get over 50 visitors a day from 6 different SEs. So far, if I compare absolute monthly traffic 2 months ago and today, 5 SEs are up (some over 100% increase), Google$ traffic is down 97%.

[edited by: aleksl at 8:38 pm (utc) on May 17, 2005]

arubicus




msg:725056
 8:36 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ouch.

Our main page when we got dumped went to url only.

It is a 4 year old site that never does anything but create content and minor on page seo stuff. That is it. Everything else (links and such) come naturally. No cloaking. No nothing.

The google loss came to about 1/4 of a million visitors per month since then.

[edited by: arubicus at 8:45 pm (utc) on May 17, 2005]

oldpro




msg:725057
 8:42 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

So much for obeying the Google Guidelines for webmasters. Seems like the creators of the 15 above me never read it. Not one validates, crappy backlinks, all but one have much lower PR than mine, none have sitemaps, a couple of scrapers, etc. Unbelivable...from 6 to 15.

aleksl




msg:725058
 8:46 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, one friend of mine if loosing $1000 per day compared to his April numbers, thanks to Google$ dumping his sites.

The other guy came over last week, his startup ecommerce store lost all free traffic from Google$. He could tolerate that, but 3 days ago Yahoo was changing something, and he went to basically 0 orders for 3 days.

Basically, you can say one of 2 things: either
* you souldn't base your profitability on free traffic, OR
* Google$ is squeezing all free-loader sites out of SERPs.

Yesterday I ran into a SEPR that was so bad I haven't seen this from Google in years. Someone basically had a bunch of pages with Title, Header and a text as one phrase. I'd say 18 of top 20 SERP results were this site with the same phrase with different word combinations in the same phrase. I bet he's got tons of traffic now :)

arubicus




msg:725059
 8:47 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Heck you may as well publish about 20 crap sites anymore so that you can diversify that way also.

221b




msg:725060
 8:47 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site finally made it to top 10(Just to post something positive in here).

arubicus




msg:725061
 8:50 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

That is because mine isn't there. Just to post something negative here.

Actually I am not worried. Got enough traffic from all over to keep us going. We are slowly making our way back and that is all I can ask for.

oldpro




msg:725062
 8:56 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Same here...glad most of my traffic are direct hits, but it is the principal of the thing.

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