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Longest You've Been in the Sandbox?
How long until you got out?
Teshka




msg:763379
 6:54 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I must admit this question is born out of impatience ;) Of the five or so content sites I put together last summer, only one has come out of the sandbox (May launch), but that was 2-3 months ago. If it was just based on time, the two I launched in June ought to be getting more traffic by now but they're not.

So, just out of curiosity, if you've started new sites since this sandbox effect began, how long did it take your site(s) to get out or are you still waiting?

 

Petrocelli




msg:763380
 11:04 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

For me it normally takes about 4 weeks (sometimes even less). Most important thing is having a couple of inbound links from high PR pages.

Cheers

Peter

haggul




msg:763381
 11:12 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree.

Had a site rocketing on MSN etc - nothing from Google - sure the bot would stop by every day but not get further than robots or the home page.

Post a link on a PR5 site - 5 days later we are seeing deep crawling and repeat visits every 7 days.

arran




msg:763382
 11:35 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

For me it normally takes about 4 weeks (sometimes even less). Most important thing is having a couple of inbound links from high PR pages.

Post a link on a PR5 site - 5 days later we are seeing deep crawling and repeat visits every 7 days.

Are you guys not talking about getting indexed rather coming out of the sandbox?

BillyS




msg:763383
 2:38 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Big difference between indexing and ranking. I've got about 5 PR 6 websites linking to me but all that gives me is lots of spidering. Right now, I've got over 865 pages in Google's index - Google recognizes 845 as unique. Month to date, I've got around 40 referrals from Google.

I've had several folks around here look at my website and I've made some changes based on their recommendations. This morning I ranked #231 for my own name - something that Yahoo and MSN rank me #1 for.

I've emailed Google asking if the site was under a penalty - I was told no. The site is all white hat following Brett's 26 steps. The site does well in Yahoo for the keywords I target.

From time to time, I sign some of the articles I write with my own name (first name last name)- which is uncommon. MSN shows me at #3 and #4, Yahoo #1 and #2. There is absolutely no reason for me not to rank well on my name, yet Google shows my site at #114.

To answer you question, this site was launched in early May, first spidered by Google in May 2004 - 12 months in the sandbox.

Petrocelli




msg:763384
 2:51 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)


Are you guys not talking about getting indexed rather coming out of the sandbox?

Nope. Getting a few pages into the index is a matter of a day or two. What usally follows are those in's and out's, missing descriptions, etc. (that's what the sandbox is about). To put an end to the game you must have some good inbound links. G then will spider the entire site and keep it in its main index.

Peter

jdhuk




msg:763385
 3:09 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Nope. Getting a few pages into the index is a matter of a day or two. What usally follows are those in's and out's, missing descriptions, etc. (that's what the sandbox is about). To put an end to the game you must have some good inbound links. G then will spider the entire site and keep it in its main index.

Totally wrong.

Petrocelli




msg:763386
 3:12 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Totally wrong.

Really? So what is right then? :)

garyr_h




msg:763387
 3:13 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Nope. Getting a few pages into the index is a matter of a day or two. What usally follows are those in's and out's, missing descriptions, etc. (that's what the sandbox is about). To put an end to the game you must have some good inbound links. G then will spider the entire site and keep it in its main index.

The sandbox isn't about not getting indexed. It's about getting any sort of good ranking. It's when your site is #1 in Yahoo!, MSN and others yet #250 in Gooooogle...

garyr_h




msg:763388
 3:20 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyways, back to the topic. I have one site which has been in since December. But this recent "update" seems to show a little encouragement as some of its pages have jumped 200+ positions on one DC (and no they had no change whatsoever on the pages and no huge difference in backlinks).

[edited by: garyr_h at 3:21 pm (utc) on May 17, 2005]

Petrocelli




msg:763389
 3:21 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

The sandbox isn't about not getting indexed. It's about getting any sort of good ranking. It's when your site is #1 in Yahoo!, MSN and others yet #250 in Gooooogle...
True. But to have a CHANCE to get ranked well, your site first should be indexed PROPERLY, not in "URL only" sandbox manner.
MHes




msg:763390
 3:36 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

>not in "URL only" sandbox manner.

Url only is not sandbox.

idolw




msg:763391
 3:41 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

10 months now and still waiting. lots of inbound links from PR 0-5. the site ranks n#199 for its name (without www and .com).
perhaps we were getting links too fast?

CathyM




msg:763392
 3:44 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

One year to fully come out of the sandbox.

Site launched in February 2004. It was a move from an old URL to a new URL so the content was identical when it launched (of course I changed it since then). It came up ranking very close to the old site for a couple of weeks and then went into the "sand box." Over the year I was able to achieve high rankings on related terms but not the primary terms. I was able to get the primary terms into the top 100 but not the top 10. After just about a year, rankings were finally "normal" (top ten for primary terms).

I have another site launched in September 2004. Again, some terms rank but not as high as I think they should. I believe that the site will be out of the sandbox this fall. Time will tell.

jdhuk




msg:763393
 3:53 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

some of its pages have jumped 200+ positions on one DC

Thats great news I hope its a sign of things to come for your site :)

My main site (spend most my time on) first crawled in Dec. Average position for main target KW, page 280-300. This went on for 4 months.

To date, absolutely no-where vanished entirely out of the search results,(not the Index)

Some Inner pages are ranking well for not so searched for terms.

hughie




msg:763394
 4:06 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I launched one site april 2004 and it came out in in the new year update, everything launched after that is still in there. not really seeing any shift with this "update" but i've not really studied it yet.

I've avoided the sandbox on a couple of domains i've taken over where sites were 2 years+ old and had a few links and a few on-topic pages in the index. (one pr1 one pr2). With these i've tip-toed around adding a link here or there over a few months and both are doing well in their "widgets in location" areas.

hughie

RS_200_gto




msg:763395
 4:07 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

If Google has such a problem in figuring out what is suppose to be in the SERPs by sandbox or sanctioning sites that update there sites regularly , there is more to this picture that Google wants you to know. $$$$$

arran




msg:763396
 4:53 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

One year to fully come out of the sandbox.

That's deeply depressing - one year is a lifetime in internet terms.

People used to talk about 6 months, then 9 months, now 12...

chopin2256




msg:763397
 5:20 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I started my site in July 2004, and had a surge in traffic March 2005. So, 8 months to get out of the sandbox. Though once you are out, your website will become a goldmine, if you know what you are doing.

If I was to start another domain (now that my primary domain is out of the sandbox) would I still have to wait almost a year to get my next domain out? Or will Google trust my name since I already have a domain out of the sandbox?

jdhuk




msg:763398
 5:37 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

People used to talk about 6 months, then 9 months, now 12...

I would imagine the "no rule" still applies.

Site A and B crawled the same time.

Both designed similar to target same KWS.

Both same relevant IBL's.

Site A: released 6 months

Sites B: released 12 months

No one knows why A comes out sooner.

idolw




msg:763399
 5:57 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

have you been getting a lot of links during the entire 'sandbox age' of your sites? or were you gaining IBLs slowly?
thanks

phantombookman




msg:763400
 6:20 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Got a site coming up to one year now, next month in fact. Still sandboxed, bloody ridiculous!

Also makes Google look ridiculous as the site is #1 on all other major search angines, Google returns a page on someones blog that links to an internal page on my sandboxed site as their #1 match

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:763401
 6:34 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have been getting blasted in the member's forum for going on about this so I am afraid that I cannot tell you that I have a site that is fourteen months in the box ;)

Teshka




msg:763402
 7:39 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks for your responses, guys. My sites have picked up links naturally, plus two of them have both DMOZ and Yahoo links with the keywords in the title, so I believe they will do well eventually. It's just the wait. Feh.

peschli




msg:763403
 4:28 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

We entered the sandbox in October 04, and have slowly watched our site come out, slow improvments each month. April 16th we watched our keywords fall back into it. From a 24 right back down to 'no rank' in the serps, but only competative keywords. At the same time this happened our homepage PR went from a 4 to a 5 and inner pages we have built within our sandbox period went from a 0 to a 4-5.

Powdork




msg:763404
 7:04 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Currently two weeks short of one year. Don't know if it's the sandbox anymore though. The url only listings are becoming a larger percentage of a decreasing amount of pages indexed. I seem to be now having a 302 problem but who knows. Perhaps there never was a sandbox, just that new sites were more susceptible to 302 redirects killing you off.
It just means the plans had to be rearranged to focus on the 30% or so of the internet lucky enough to use a search engine other than Google.

ps. Just kidding about there never being a sandbox.

Nuttakorn




msg:763405
 8:16 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do we know that the site still in sandbox or penalized? My site age is over 2 years. I have got the link as natural not heavy. When I search something as same as title of homepage, it doesn't show my website , also my website name.

RS_200_gto




msg:763406
 8:44 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

973 Back links and growing and Google keeps us still playing in the sandbox!
Our competitor has 73 and he is on the top,

If Google has a problem counting the difference, they better go back to school.

aris1970




msg:763407
 9:18 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

973 Back links and growing and Google keeps us still playing in the sandbox!
Our competitor has 73 and he is on the top

Hi RS_200_gto,

I am sure you know the potential difference in terms of backlinks quality there may exist. Are you sure you suffer because of sandbox or maybe have other reasons to worry?

HayMeadows




msg:763408
 4:50 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is absolutely no reason for me not to rank well on my name, yet Google shows my site at #114.

Certainly hope for Google's sake they are doing something about this. Its really making them look bad.

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