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A lot of sites. . . worth paying for multiple IPs?
alphacooler




msg:706360
 5:57 pm on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

For those that have multiple sites that are similar (different niche same theme) but have entirely different content, is it worth spreading your network across multiple IP's on different C-blocks? I know that people think as long as everything is whitehat by the books, then Gbot doesn't car if you have 10 sites on the same IP, but I've seen some empirical evidence contrary to that...10 tangentially related sites on the same IP (i'm guessing) looks like possible spam to G. Does anyone else spread their sites across multiple IP's so they can't be traced by Gbot? Anyone recommend this? Think it's silly?

 

alphacooler




msg:706361
 3:16 pm on May 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

anyone?

mrMister




msg:706362
 3:26 pm on May 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think its silly. I have 3 sites dedicated to the same subject matter. All three appear on page one of the SERPs for the most popular keyphrase.

All three are on the same IP.

All three are using different styles of HTML coding and design. One site liks to both of the others. The other two don't link back.

If you want to use seperate IPs, you'll have to make sure they're all on different Class C blocks.

Rollo




msg:706363
 3:30 pm on May 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, it is worth it. Most would agree that interlinking a network of on-topic sites does no harm in Google (it seems to do wonders in Yahoo and MSN), but still a dedicated IP is a very good idea. Judging from Google's recent patent application, they are looking to many factors for "signs of quality" and having a dedicted IP for your site(s) sends a message that you are serious about the site. Although there is no definative evidence to prove the case, sites on their own unique IP seem to rank higher.

zulufox




msg:706364
 3:34 pm on May 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

having a dedicted IP for your site(s) sends a message that you are serious about the site.

I completely agree. A dedicated IP says "This site is important and well made"

alphacooler




msg:706365
 5:18 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, forgetting about the "sign of quality" issue, if I have 10 (related in theme) sites on the SAME dedicated IP (no site inter-linking) will G see this as spam?

From their point of view, most people that launch 10 theme sites on the same IP are probably spamming, and so it is esier to just penalize all network sites that do so, regardless of the fact that some networks may be completely legitimate...G seems to be looking to really put the stop on spammers despite the fact they are penalizing some legitimate sites.

It isn't the end of the world to get 10 separate hosting accounts...I would definitely do it if there is any chance of penalty by G. That said, 10 accounts would be considerably more expensive and much more difficult to run. Advice anyone?

roldar




msg:706366
 5:22 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Isn't there another way of looking at it?

The layperson probably doesn't even know what an IP address is, and if they do it's unlikely they understand the reason why, or even know, that they should have one for their site. And I've seen a lot of laypeople running Frontpage sites that have a lot of good information on them. For whatever reason it seems that an awful lot of niches are dominated by this type of site, especially if there's not a lot of money to be made in them.

One of the only reasons I'd go with a dedicated IP for a site up to this point is to avoid getting banned if somebody else sharing the IP on my shared server decided to become a spammer.

Until this stuff about Google looking at whois to judge the value of a site, I wouldn't have even considered a dedicated IP to be an indication of anything but that the site administrator is tech-savvy.

Wouldn't you agree that most spammers probably tech-savvy? If spamming and other black hat activities are worthwhile, won't they all just begin using dedicated IP addresses? I trust they're making more than .50/domain/month, which is about what you can get dedicated IPs for.

alphacooler




msg:706367
 6:20 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

roldar, I would have never even considered multiple dedicated IPs on diff. c-blocks, but yeah, all this talk about G and how they are analyzing virtually every piece of info they can get has got me thinking...I mean, if I were G I would look for multiple sites on the same server.

As per your last point, I would say, yes most spammers are tech-savvy, but then again, being able to throw up 50 scraper sites on the same IP is pretty dang easy and cheap. 50cents for a dedicated IP on different c-block? Sticky-me w/your host...mine sure doesn't allow that.

guitaristinus




msg:706368
 11:29 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have about 16 domains virtually hosted with the same company. Each of the domains happens to be on a different C-block. I'm glad for the variety. If they all had the same class C address, I think I would get them separated.

There are so many good sites on non-dedicated IPs, I don't think Google would degrade them in the SERPs.

10 (related in theme) sites on the SAME dedicated IP (no site inter-linking) will G see this as spam?
- Maybe a reason to go virtual.

Check sticky for my host.

JuniorOptimizer




msg:706369
 11:57 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's a complete non-issue, especially if the sites aren't cross-linked.

julinho




msg:706370
 1:25 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

My host charges me $1 monthly to have a dedicated IP.

I think that paying this $1 is cheaper than spending time pondering "would it be better to have dedicated IPs?".

alphacooler




msg:706371
 3:41 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

There seems to be a good amount of disagreement here...hmmm...

julinho, sticky me your host, I think im gonna have to switch from site5, they don't allow different c class ips.

Teshka




msg:706372
 11:00 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

having a dedicted IP for your site(s) sends a message that you are serious about the site.

I completely agree. A dedicated IP says "This site is important and well made"

I kind of wonder about that actually. I have a few sites that are just located on my ISP's web space that do extremely well in competitive niches. I can't help but wonder if Google sees a "hobby site" as something that's more likely to be informative and less commercial. I'm not sure I'd go as far as putting a decent site up on Geocities though...

Swanson




msg:706373
 12:09 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think there are are few angles here. Obviously if you take the users view it does not matter about the IP address.

However, if you take a realistic view (in SEO terms) it is unsatisfactory to have similar content on the same IP address because we have seen all sorts of penalisation due to duplicate content during the past few major updates (just look at the threads).

Whether it is correct or not it seems prudent to look at IP addresses (especially class C) as another criteria - and after all if you can visit these forums and gain an idea of what will remain acceptable to google or not.

Lets face it, what the user sees as duplicate does not seem the same as the search engines (after all a shockwave movie embedded in a html page at this time can not be accurately deemed duplicate or not after all so many other factors influence a human view of a web page).

So knowing this is it not better to try to keep the advantage in your court (whether in theory correct thinking or not?)

And if you share an IP address with others how do you know what content is on that?

bose




msg:706374
 1:59 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

If the added cost is not significant, I would say go for a dedicated IP. No point in risking "guilt by association" if the costs are reasonably low. IMHO, having a dedcated IP is worth it when you consider the peace of mind that comes with knowing no one else is messing around (sending spam, links-farming, etc.) using "your" shared IP. It may not help with Google, but it can not hurt either.

Langers




msg:706375
 8:01 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Will the Name servers of your site still not be the same though....

alphacooler




msg:706376
 6:25 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, I am convinced...spread my sites over different c-class IP's...My problem...I need a host that allows this for cheap and still has decent bandwidth(I have a lot of sites). Love my current host, but they just don't do different c-class ip's. Truly, thankyou to everyone who took the time to help me.

alphacooler




msg:706377
 6:58 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

...just Sticky-ME w/any host suggestions...thanks so much.

Ove




msg:706378
 8:50 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Lets say that you have c class ipīs with alot of sites on with unic ipīs, is that enough if you have the same dns?.

I might think the major problem is when you have alot of sites on the same server and the same dns and you are crosslinking the sites. If you do it that i dont think its enough to just have diffrent ipīs then you need diffrent dns too.

/Ove

alphacooler




msg:706379
 3:32 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmmm....well I doubt that If I get my sites spread over multiple C Subnets that they will have different name servers right? I overlooked that aspect. How many sites though are going to share the same nameservers? Seems like G couldn't penalize a site just based on that right? Regardless, I would appreciate sticky-mail w/any good hosts that allow cheap multiple c-block IP's.

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