| 8:54 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
There is a new PR twilight zone. It's when you have a really high page rank, but for some reason, you're site hits one of the Google filter penalties. Big green bar and dominance in many keyword categories, except the the really popular ones.
Anybody want to coin a new term for the blogsphere? :)
| 9:41 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I can't see any rhyme or reason to their position or mine. |
but first you said
which doesn't rhyme, yet still may hold the answer you are looking for.
|The site that just bumped me has a page title that goes on forever and a keyword density that borders on spam. |
All of the sites that are ahead of me, though, have been around for three to seven years. My site has only been around since last June.
| 10:18 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Google is getting more pathetic lately. Give them another 12 months, their share prices are going to go doooooooown. |
But this isn't about Google share prices or Google getting pathetic, this is about what Google does and doesn't do for your SERPS...
Yours - not mine, or his...
| 10:56 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Powdork, I think the age factor is a big part of the equation, but I don't think the title or keyword density is.
The first five sites only mention the keyword once in the page title, and their keyword density is lower than the site that bumped me.
I now have eighteen widget pages from various manufacturers, and fourteen of them are on the first page. Three are on the second page.
There are also some 1,000 or so individual pages of the various models of widgets from the eighteen manufacturers, and many of them are on the first page.
I also have 100 "widget stores by state" pages, and all but two are in the #1 to #3 position for a search for "(insert state name here) widget stores."
The number of competing sites returned for the various search terms ranges from 25,000 or so to 550,000 to over two million.
And my site only has a PR of 3.
As others have reported, one of my interior pages--Acme Widgets--has a higher PR than my home page. It's also the only interior page that gets a fresh date.
If there's a pattern here as far as PR goes, I'm not seeing it.
All of this is tempting me to stop searching for reciprocal links, and concentrate even more on adding additional content.
| 11:47 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My page PR went from 6 to 0 (appears white not grey) and there is no reason I can find except that I do see 302 re-direct links which have been there for a while.
| 3:22 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Manzan: I'd take a hard look at those 302s, learn all you can about them.
My mystery is less compelling. I show _toolbar_ PR or 6 for my main page,
that is using a toolbar extention for Firefox.
My Google Directory PR shows PR=5 to the left of the listing.
I'm sure there is also some 3+ digit secret PR # internal to Google.
Do we have THREE sets of PR ratings now? For Google alone? - Larry
| 6:46 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
PR of my site has gone down from 5 to 4. Does that happen to somebody else.
Pls comment if somebody has observed tha same and analysed reason for that.
| 11:38 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"Google is getting more pathetic lately. Give them another 12 months, their share prices are going to go doooooooown"
probaly yor site have gone doooooooown,and not G shares.(LOL)
| 12:25 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Before the update, I had 16 inbound links and a PR4
Ive found about 30 quality inbound links, plus sponsored links from a very related on topic site.
These links are over 3 month old.
I know have 3600 inbound links, and a PageRank of still 4!
Not too bothered as Ranking have remained the same - very high :) But thought the PR would have gone upto a 5 at least?
| 1:29 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I went from a pr 0-5 on one site, a 5-6 on another and a 4-5 on a third
and the traffic is still the same
pr= red herring
unless the big 'click over' is going to be at 9:00 west coast time - but i doubt it
| 2:08 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Has anyone else noticed a rollback of the PR update? It looks like everything has gone back to pre-update status, at least that's what my toolbar is showing.
| 2:23 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have just seen a rollback of the PR data on these DCs for many sites (esp. those that were PR0)
Maybe they had incomplete data? at least my server was down the last weekend :-)
| 2:25 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
site 3 - rolling back to old values
| 5:17 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Anyone any thoughts on why the Google directory shows different PR for some sites than the Green tool bar shows?
| 5:35 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The directory data is only updated every month or two.
| 5:51 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I see a rollback of PR update on IE, but FireFox still displays the new PR.
| 7:39 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Im not seeing this TPR rollback here in the UK...
| 9:24 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My home page had a page rank of 6 yesterday. Today it is 5. What in the world gives? And should I really care?
| 7:13 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)|
<My home page had a page rank of 6 yesterday. Today it is 5. What in the world gives? And should I really care?>
No You shouldn't care. Google is Rotating! Before we have noticed "Rotating Algos" and now many friends here including you have reported "Rotating PRs".
Better to spend our time on adding more contents and establishing valuable backlinks.. and leave Google to rotate as much as it wish.
Lets start thinking about generating traffic from other search engines. At present the number of my Yahoo referrals looks very promising. MSN is also sending some happy visitors.
I guess what I'm trying to say is; There is a big world outside the rotating Google.
| 10:22 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yahoo seems to have a "freshness" that Google lost some time ago.
| 4:35 am on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
No rollback here. Still celebrating my first PR7 and still mourning the traffic loss!
| 4:39 am on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have a site which was PR 6 dropped to a 5 last PR update and dropped to a 4 this one. Now ranked #7 for keyword which has 160 million pages competing. Buckets of leads...I am going to be a millionaire and no PR.
Yeah death of the green vomit....
| 2:28 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
PR isn't everything when it comes to rank.
| 3:14 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
We know, our sites are all PR5 and still lost in the SERPs
|bloke in a box|
| 8:55 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
March saw my site go from PR 5 to 4
This update has seen it go back to 5 on the TB but still 4 in the directory.
| 9:23 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Traffic to my site skyrocketed starting last friday. Not just to specific pages, but to my whole site.
I do not understand why. None but a couple of really new pages has increased in pagerank. I've tried out a lot of queries and the pages still have their same positions in the search results.
My log files are showing a lot of hits without referring pages, as if visitors were just typing my url into their browsers, or clicking an email link. I though I had gotten mentioned somewhere prominent, but the traffic is persisting.
It is to me as if just more people are getting online. I don't understand it.
| 11:20 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Page Rank has been devalued so its almsot worthless for rankings. Have you a good site with great content. I am seeing a distinct pattern of Google rewarding content again. I do not hang around in any industries with a lot of spam so the story might be different there but for normal sites and B2B sites Google seem to have finally gone back to giving some credit for content. I expect the spammers are busy at work churning out content already and stealing everybody else's.
| 11:23 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Even though the cache is updated, even in some cases to a date/time just 14 hours ago, Fresh Dates seem to have vanished from every SERP that I have looked at in the last 2 hours. Something is afoot?
| 1:34 am on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Based on the fact that my site is deep crawled roughly 3 - 6 days before an update, I would think the timing is right. I had a deep crawl on Wednesday.
| 2:01 am on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Fresh dates on 184.108.40.206 and a few others.
| 2:23 am on Apr 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Have you a good site with great content. I am seeing a distinct pattern of Google rewarding content again. |
Actually I do. There are not a lot of pages on my site, but almost every page was something I absolutely slaved over. I have some articles I spent as long as a month to write, and were very thoroughly researched.
I hope I don't upset you all by saying this, but for quite some time now Google has positioned just about every page on my site very highly for whatever keywords are relevant. It seems like I can write an article on damn near anything, and within a month it's in the top ten, sometimes #1 for some things.
Yes, it's all about content. What's really funny is that you know all those pages that just have a bunch of links and some ads? All the ones on a certain topic link one of my articles. I've found hundreds of such pages.
I recognize very well that I'm sitting on a gold mine, which is why I started publishing ads recently. I've had mixed results - some articles are popular and positioned well, but the people who read them aren't the sort who click on ads. I'm not so confident that I can intentionally set out to write a new article on a topic that's going to get a good clickthru rate. Instead, I'm hoping that by writing articles on anything that captures my interest, at least occassionally I'll make good money from one. My focus is to always provide real value to my readers, whatever the topic may be.
Realize also that it took seven years to build my site to where it is now. Most people don't have that kind of time. If I had depended on my site for ad revenue I would have been homeless years ago. Instead it was a marketing tool for my business, I used my articles to drive traffic to my site. I only started publishing any ads at all last September.
Now, of course the spammers will try to generate content, but they can't generate as good a page as an honest, hardworking person unless they become honest hardworking people themselves! Sure they can copy some random text to a page, but no one will link it unless the text is genuinely useful to them.
Also, Google is working hard at linguistic analysis of the text on the web. A friend of a friend is a PhD linguist who works at Google. They've been hiring boatloads of PhD's for years, and for good reason. They know very well that the relevance of their search results is their lifeblood, but they've got to fight a never-ending battle against the spammers. I expect they're going to invest a lot of the money they made in their IPO into implementing some amount of artificial intelligence.
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