| 10:30 am on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think possibly some people are confused about the little green bar. Methinks you gotta remember that this is in large part a marketing tool, to make you think that having the Google toolbar permanently visible is giving you extra value. My home has just gone from 5 to 6 on the little green bar, so I'm obviously pleased, but I'm not expecting that to make any difference to anything.
| 11:57 am on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
If it doesn't make any difference, why are you pleased?
| 12:15 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I haven't read anyone commenting on their new toolbar PR and mentioning the trend in their backlinks. With all the buzz about Google comparing backlinks over time, this obviously factors in.
Seems to me that we're hearing a lot of new sites instantly getting good TPR and some older, more established sites are losing TPR. Obviously it's a bigger percentage jump in backlinks for a new site to go from 0 to 5 backlinks in a month than for an established site to go from 100 to 105. It's important that we don't lose sight of this part of the equation.
[edited by: dataguy at 12:23 pm (utc) on April 23, 2005]
| 12:22 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|If it doesn't make any difference, why are you pleased? |
Because it's not only a marketing tool for Google to keep their toolbar attached to our web browsers, it's a marketing tool that webmasters can use to increase the perceived value of their web sites, often meaning more advertising revenue. However flawed it is, people do pay attention to toolbar PR, and it often translates into $$$ in webmasters pockets.
| 12:35 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Directory v Pagerank
Looks to me that the directory is providing results based on content hence why some high PR sites low in content that have the PR given from links are falling back against some lower PR sites that are rich in content going up.
Also, google certainly prefers to give PR to static pages rather than Dynamic ones.
I do find this PR concept interesting. We have a quality website rich in content thats pure quality with on subject information updated on a regular basis (should be PR7 imo). Its a PR5 home page and gets given PR5 on various internal pages including say a one page of text article on "terms and conditions" for example which i dont get at all. Meanwhile its dynamic pages get zero PR but its static pages all do well.
On the other hand we have a chat forum, which whilst established has pages of gossip some of which is just worthless drivel yet it gains a PR6
I currently have no idea how this works other than to say that the PR5 quality content site sits higher in google directory (in its sector)than the PR6 chat forum, so content must come into this somewhere.
| 4:22 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The page rank (green bar) is no longer showing on my google tool bar. The option is checked in the toolbar settings. Does this have to do with the PR update or is there a problem with my toolbar.
| 4:41 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Personally, I suspect the primary use of toolbar PR is to sell links to suckers.
I know one site that (up until yesterday) had about 7 PR 8 pages and was selling text link ads, 40 on each page for $150 each. Do the math...
The thing is I've been observing the PR of the sites they've been linking to see if they would receive a boost... as far as I can tell, none seems to have recevied any benefit at all.
| 4:51 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am seeing the same thing! My toolbar is no longer displaying the green bar!
| 5:40 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Went to my site today and almost had a heart attack, seeing nothing buy a greyed out tool bar. Luckly every other site I checked is also greyed out. I think the toolbar is broken
| 5:41 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
yeah .. looks like the pr tool is down or something. everything and every site's grey
| 5:44 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"I currently have no idea how this works"
You should read up on it then. Pagerank is just about links. It has nothing to do with content. If you link to a terms and conditions page from your main page or from every page it will have high PR. That's all it is.
| 8:49 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>Went to my site today and almost had a heart attack, seeing nothing buy a greyed out tool bar. Luckly every other site I checked is also greyed out. I think the toolbar is broken
Whew! Thank goddess I am not alone with this problem. I also have a grey toolbar on every site. I even rebooted thinking that might be the issue, and my toolbar is still dead. The problem must be at Google's end.
| 9:00 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
i often find the grey 'heart stopper' toolbar happens if i come in off a bookmark rather than a web link.
| 9:41 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm using the toolbar extension for firefox, and I'm seeing it as grey too.
| 9:43 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Mine still works today.
Yesterday was the first time it had been used for very many weeks.
| 10:13 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Sites that are well established with PR5 or greater since long (about 3 yrs) and were not updated regularly PR4 now.
Hope this helps to others understand new algo.
Unless you have been steadily adding more links the last 3 years your link count has probably dropped because of sites going offline, etc.
| 10:20 pm on Apr 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
re Google's record of Backlinks ...
I manage 27 sites and have been tracking Google vs Yahoo backlinks for almost a year. The amount of links google has been reporting has been steadily decreasing with every update. It used to be about 10% of what Yahoo shows, and now it's even less.
| 12:22 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I loaded the beta today and now have the grey bar for PR everywhere I go.
| 12:33 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
<Why are you so please on going from pr5 to 6>?
Easier to get sites to exchange links. Once you reach 6, its like hitting critical mass.
| 3:40 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Erm, i just got the toolbar back to normal instead of all grey. But did not see any pr changes yet.
| 5:25 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have about 3 sites that received new PR after the update. After doing some research I am finding that on 2 of them that the sub-pages have a higher PR than the actual homepage. I have checked both with and without the www and it makes no difference.
I have ensured that all link partners are linking to my homepage and not any sub-pages.
On one of the sites the homepage has a PR of 3 while most of the subpages have 4's and 5's and believe it or not 1 page actually has a pr6.
Anyone else seeing this?
| 5:56 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
my homepage was PR 2 with all other pages PR1
now my home and some other main pages are PR3 with lower pages PR2
slowly climbing the ladder (this is an 8 month old site with about 200 pages)
| 7:04 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
<I have ensured that all link partners are linking to my homepage and not any sub-pages.
On one of the sites the homepage has a PR of 3 while most of the subpages have 4's and 5's and believe it or not 1 page actually has a pr6>
Your observation and the observations of the other friends in this thread support my thoughts that Google might have changed the variables in calculating PR in particular and evaluation of webpages in general.
I havenīt noticed an update of PR this time. However, I have noticed through a month or so that while my homepage retained its PR, few "old" pages got the gray bar. Common for those pages is that I either edited them or added more contents to them. At the beginning I thought that it was "an aging factor" added to the PR equation. Not so because 2 new pages I have added recently both got PR-0 . Just to be sure I had uninstalled/reinstalled the toolbar.
The new PR "behavior" that some of you have noticed might be explained as an attempt from Google to fight back on the trend of using the PR value as trading tools to sell/buy backlink in order to achieve "artificially" better positions on the serps.
I have mentioned in few of my previous posts that I see Google going in new directions that we are not used to.
My as well as fellow members observations in this thread are pointing in that direction.
| 8:54 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
".....On one of the sites the homepage has a PR of 3 while most of the subpages have 4's and 5's and believe it or not 1 page actually has a pr6....."
I'm seeing this also, homepage pr5, most internal pages pr 5 or 6....One internal page Pr 7!
| 10:16 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
One internal page Pr 7!
thats the page the visitors hit and you have links to that page because probably has a very good content that eve wiki have used that page for reference,so simple
| 2:42 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Here's one for you, PR unchanged on site except all link pages went to PR0.
Thanks G, how am I suppossed to retain my link partners let alone get more to feed your dang algo?
| 3:01 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
On one of my sites I also have homepage PR3 and all other pages PR 4-6. Internal linking should leave the homepage with at least as much PR as the other pages, if not more. Huh?
| 3:01 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 3:15 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Damn, for kids.
| 8:38 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
No change in PR for my site. However, I'm beginning to question the value of PR.
One of my internal pages just got bumped from #6 to #7 for a particular search term.
All of the sites ahead of me are PR3, just like mine. When I check for links, they have only a fraction of the incoming links that I have. (One of the sites only has three that Google shows, and only about 140 or so showing in Yahoo).
The site that just bumped me has a page title that goes on forever and a keyword density that borders on spam.
All of the sites that are ahead of me, though, have been around for three to seven years. My site has only been around since last June.
The #2 site is one that I created three years ago, and I've done everything in terms of SEO with my new site that I did with the #2 site. It also has very few incoming links.
I can't see any rhyme or reason to their position or mine.
| 8:54 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
There is a new PR twilight zone. It's when you have a really high page rank, but for some reason, you're site hits one of the Google filter penalties. Big green bar and dominance in many keyword categories, except the the really popular ones.
Anybody want to coin a new term for the blogsphere? :)
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