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When site reaches a certain level it gets hijacked
Nosmada




msg:754199
 12:51 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am finding that every time one of my sites reaches about 6000 impressions per day it gets hijacked by one or more sites that use a 301 redirect. Even though I use the Google URL remover tool immediately it is too late and my traffic is reduced to one quarter of what it was and I lose out indefinitely.

I am having a hard time knowing what to do anymore. Has anyone else noticed this trend. It just happened to another site of mine and I don't know if they will ever come back again. Anybody else noticing this phenomena or something similar? Any seggestions what to do to help get your traffic back or is it hopeless?

 

theBear




msg:754200
 2:45 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

A 301?

Haven't heard of that one, 302s yes but not 301s. Those would all count as links and to my knowledge and experience would actually help matters.

Nosmada




msg:754201
 5:20 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sorry I meant 302.

excell




msg:754202
 5:22 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Are all the sites in one related category or industry group? Do you have a common denominator throughout the websites?

Nosmada




msg:754203
 5:25 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

No. They have no similarity.

Atticus




msg:754204
 5:25 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

According to GoogleGuy (in a post on another forum), 302 hijacking only happens to viagra and texas holdem spammers.

Googleguy said that he will offer you amnesty to report that you have been hijacked even though you are a spammer.

Considering the gross mischaracterization of the problem by a G employee, I would say that there is little or no hope for those of us effected by this problem.

Rollo




msg:754205
 5:25 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think the best defense agains the redirect issue is high PR. It seems to have no effect on high PR sites. I suppose this is a justification for link buying to push up PR, not to rank better, but out of pure self-defense.

excell




msg:754206
 5:29 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Quite insane really :(

Nosmada




msg:754207
 5:45 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am not a viagra or texas holdem spammer.

Atticus




msg:754208
 5:51 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Nosmada,

Of course you aren't. Neither am I. But if G is willing to spin the hacking of their index by claiming that the victims are unworthy of consideration, then don't expect any help from them.

Bobby




msg:754209
 5:53 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think the best defense agains the redirect issue is high PR

Well put Rollo, I concur completely.
The interesting thing about the hijacking is that once your low PR site gets kicked out of the SERPs then the hijackers are no longer interested and so back you come.

Sort of like ping pong.

I say this because many of my sites have been the focus of a group of hijackers who create pseudo "search engines" looking like directories.
They take most of the Overture results and then WHAM!

But I've seen the ping pong ball go back and forth.

Atticus




msg:754210
 6:03 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've had PR 6 for years. About as high as PR goes in my industry. Couple thousand backlinks, many from k-12s and edus.

My site has about 1800 pages. Last month G thought it had 5000 pages. Then 4000. Then 1800.

This month G thinks it has 550, no that's 350...

The vast majority of traffic I now get from G is untargetted, it is a waste of my bandwidth, the searchers time and never should have been sent to my sites to begin with.

G has so many holes in it at this point, that blaming 302 hijacking for a site's disappearance is just guessing.

glengara




msg:754211
 8:44 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

*..reaches about 6000 impressions per day..*

So who'd know about this?

g1smd




msg:754212
 8:56 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> According to GoogleGuy (in a post on another forum), 302 hijacking only happens to viagra and texas holdem spammers. <<

...and to site:www.dmoz.org and to site:www.dmoz.com (some 20 000 duff results for each) except that those results were magically "cleaned up" just a few days after that was mentioned in another thread in this forum, sometime mid-week last week.

What hasn't been cleaned up is that the 600 000 categories (found in a site:dmoz.org search) and their associated charters and submission notes, etc, somehow make a total of 11 million results in that Google search.

BillyS




msg:754213
 10:16 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've mentioned this before, but this is still my position - granted I do not depend on my website for income...

These problems are unique to Google, it is like pulling on a string in one direction, it gets shorter in another. I'm not going to "fix" my website because of their problem. The results speak for themselves. If they can't do something this simple (something everyone else can do easily), then customers will get frustrated and leave.

What I find so amusing is that Google continues to explore new areas when Search has such a big problem.

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