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Recovery from 302 redirects
Recovery from 302 redirects
broker_boy




msg:728042
 7:56 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok,

I just wanted to pick the brains of other members who have suffered page hijacking

Once the redirects are removed how long did it take for the serps to improve?

Cheers,

Broker Boy

 

gregdi




msg:728043
 9:39 pm on Apr 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Once the redirects are removed how long did it take for the serps to improve?

I got the redirects removed over a month ago, but I'm still in no where land as far as Google is concerned.

Greg

eyezshine




msg:728044
 9:54 pm on Apr 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Same here,

I removed them about 1 month ago and still the same. I had about 6 sites affected by the 302's.

But one of the sites was completely gone from google and when I removed the 302's it came back in the serp's but did not rank like it used to.

It's like all the sites went into the sandbox like a brand new site would.

Emmett




msg:728045
 4:28 am on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got hit on Feb 2nd. The 302 page flagged me for duplicate content on the home page and all my search results suffered as though google quit distributing pagerank from my home page to the rest of the site.

I got the 302 site to remove their link but it is still listed with my home page contents. I did however add a lot of content to my home page to get out of the dupe content problem which seems to have been what got me out. I am back to somewhat normal since the latter part of March.

Only other major change that may have affected it was adding a BASE HREF tag and making all links absolute.

A good way to see if you got flagged for duplicate content is to use filter=0 at the end of your search string.

Hope this helps.

Dayo_UK




msg:728046
 7:55 am on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

My homepage seems to have come back for a couple of sites - but internal pages just dont seem to be cutting the mustard yet.

Some sites are completely nowhere.

cornwall




msg:728047
 8:35 am on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

My worst hit site is now back on front page of serps for a 19.4 million keyword phrase. It had dropped to nowhere.

I zapped the B******s that were doing it about a month ago.

So you could say that my site recovered in 4 weeks. However, as always with Google, things are never that straightforward. Given that a change in their indexing has happened in that period, which has been the greater contributor to my improvement?

Having said that, I believe I was right to zap them, it certainly has done me no harm.

Dayo_UK




msg:728048
 8:59 am on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Cornwall

Was it a case of your homepage and then other pages slowly coming back or did most of the site suddenly start appearing high in the serps again?

artdeco




msg:728049
 9:26 am on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think Google solved the problem a few weeks ago ,my pages are coming back slowly but steady.

cornwall




msg:728050
 12:32 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Was it a case of your homepage and then other pages slowly coming back

Sorry, I have no idea, I was not watching on a daily basis. I can just give you the overall time period.

302s still appearing, just zapped on this morning on another site

I think Google solved the problem a few weeks ago

Wish it were true, but don't think so, as I say they are still appearing.

Dayo_UK




msg:728051
 12:36 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

No worries - Thanks anyway.

I am having some encouraging signs but not sure if it will develop to a full reinstate.

bether2




msg:728052
 1:16 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got the site that had 302 redirects to my site to remove them about a month ago. (They also had outright copied some content from my site, which also was removed at that time.)

Over the past week or so, I've begun to see a very gradual increase in my google traffic. On some data centers, my rankings are close to where they were before the redirect problem. Examples of data centers: 216.239.63.104, 64.233.179.99.

Dayo_UK




msg:728053
 1:43 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Bether

It looks like a slow process then :(

Reid




msg:728054
 1:45 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

You guys that havn't recovered yet- has googlebot been around?

Dayo_UK




msg:728055
 1:47 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Reid

One site has been crawled OK (ish) not great. But when the results are being updated into the serps the pages dont seem to rank that great yet - Homepage on this site seems to be ranking better now.

Other sites are seeing only a little Gbot activity.

bether2




msg:728056
 5:28 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

You guys that havn't recovered yet- has googlebot been around?

My site is pretty much continuously spidered by googlebot. I haven't looked closely, but it looks like the amount of spidering hasn't changed before, during, or after the 302 problem was occurring.

Reid




msg:728057
 9:32 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

it looks like a slow process for some and an immediate recovery for others. i guess it depends on how bad it was or how far it went.

Google databases have also been very active since then too. A lot of old listings showing up (rollbacks). Maybe it just hasn't gotten into the index long enough to survive the constant database changes.

yves1




msg:728058
 10:50 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

You guys that havn't recovered yet- has googlebot been around?

Good point! No chance I could recover since googlebot did not crawl my page since I removed the 302 (2 week ago). In fact last googlebot grawl on this page was on February 27. What should I do to get it crawled? (it's alreadly strongly linked)

crobb305




msg:728059
 11:45 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

My last 302s removed in January. Still nothing.

C

GuinnessGuy




msg:728060
 1:06 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Crobb,

When you do a site:yourdomain.com in Google I understand you don't see anything but your own domains listed, correct?

If you click on the link to show omitted results, do you still see only your own domains listed?

If you answered yes to both above, try looking for a listing(s) in the form of:

www.yourdomain.com/?referer=something

I had about 7 of those referer tags that all pointed to my index page. It was easy to see how google hit me with dup content. And, I think made it made it easier for the 302 hi-jackers to get awarded the canonical version of our content.

I've removed all of that junk and the 302's but still have one pesky 302 siting amongst my entries using the site command. He has turned his re-direct to one of his internal pages and now google's cache shows this so I am not sure why it is still there and if it is still a threat.

Anyway, except for that one 302 listing I've been clean now for a week or so. Still, no googlebot ever comes to my index page, but I think it may still be early in the game.

GuinnessGuy

crobb305




msg:728061
 2:55 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

GunniessGuy,

When I search site:mysite.com, I see all my pages listed as url only, and two unrelated urls. Until recently these urls were cached Nov 2. Now, one cache is empty, and the other cache was updated 2 weeks ago with the contents of it's home page (where the webmaster sent the redirect after my complaint). Whats odd is, despite the updated cache, Google still shows MY title/description from November!

At one time, 20 or so unrelated redirects were listed in the site:mysite.com search. I had those all removed by January.

I had to rewrite my content also to account for those who simply copied from me. Now, no duplicate content in anyway. But Gbot still doesn't come. We are suffering indefinite penalties for something we didn't do, even long after we have cleaned the mess up.

C

Reid




msg:728062
 3:08 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good point! No chance I could recover since googlebot did not crawl my page since I removed the 302 (2 week ago). In fact last googlebot grawl on this page was on February 27. What should I do to get it crawled? (it's alreadly strongly linked)

Have you tried re-submitting?
I know this is the long way but if thats what it takes you better do it now. Google claims you can't 'oversubmit' so it does no harm.

Again with all the database changes maybe the google indexing process has slowed down in the past month.
Have you asked one of those linking to you if they could maybe update the page your link is on? Maybe those pages are stale and googlebot figures they're already cached.

yves1




msg:728063
 3:54 pm on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Have you tried re-submitting?

In fact my page is still in google, but nowhere to be found for its keywords. I can find it with allinurl: but... it shows up with no title (url as a title) and no snippet.
Do you think I should re-submit right away or remove the url from google and then re-submit it?

Reid




msg:728064
 5:44 am on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

YVES1 how does it look in site:?

GuinnessGuy




msg:728065
 7:42 am on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Crobb,

GunniessGuy,

When I search site:mysite.com, I see all my pages listed as url only, and two unrelated urls. Until recently these urls were cached Nov 2. Now, one cache is empty, and the other cache was updated 2 weeks ago with the contents of it's home page (where the webmaster sent the redirect after my complaint). Whats odd is, despite the updated cache, Google still shows MY title/description from November!

At one time, 20 or so unrelated redirects were listed in the site:mysite.com search. I had those all removed by January.

Sounds like an incredible coincidence. Our last cache date was also Nov 2. Please sticky me. Perhaps we are on the same server/hosting service. I would sticky you but I can't seem to find a link to do that.

GuinnessGuy

yves1




msg:728066
 8:04 am on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

YVES1 how does it look in site:?

It looks like in allinurl:
link: still shows 165 backlinks, and the googlebar still shows its original pr7.

Reid




msg:728067
 9:01 am on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

YVES

How does the rest of the cache in site: look?
is it just the homepage that's affected?
are there any url's from other domains?
are yours all current?

4. There's no description of my site.

The Google index contains two types of pages--fully indexed and partially indexed pages. Your page is currently partially indexed, which means that although we know about your site, our robots have not read all the content on your page(s) in past crawls. This does not adversely affect your PageRank or your inclusion in our index. It does mean that we don't 'know' what to call your page, so it gets listed with the URL as the title and no description.

We appreciate the frustration this causes webmasters who work hard to make their sites accessible to users. We are working to increase the number of fully indexed pages in our search results to alleviate this problem.

[google.com...]

what you might want to look at is maybe googlebot is having trouble crawling this page.
I would look at it through a simulator and see if theres something goin on there.

cornwall




msg:728068
 9:18 am on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was doing some research for a piece I was doing on "life after 302s" and came across a post somewhere else made by Fathom on 302s and duplicate penalties

A dup penalty timespan is based on your offense.

1st Offense: 30 days

2nd Offense: 60 days

3rd Offense: 90 days

So 'if' [for example] you had a 1st Offense and change something and Google detected that and then later found other dup content - you would go to a 2nd Offense timespan.

I am unable to determine whether Google are still applying this to the particular case of 302s and their aftermath. On the surface it would seem that they had no alternative (scalable solutions and all that), but in my case and a number of others return from damnation seems to have been quicker.

Maybe there sometimes is justice after all!

yves1




msg:728069
 11:27 am on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reid,
There is no cache for this page. It is not the home page. The rest of the site is doing ok.
I think the problem appeared because of the 302's, and even though they are gone, google might apply a duplicate content penalty on my page.

Reid




msg:728070
 10:09 pm on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here is a related thread.

After removing a URL it may take 6 months for changes to happen
[webmasterworld.com...]

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