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Phrase with quotes: #10. No quotes: nowhere
Because the site is new, or a bad sign?
blogger




msg:775526
 9:57 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

A week ago I launched a site that aggregates information available for free from a major site. Let's say it's about 'cityname widget repair'. There are dozens of pages with the information for various widget repair shops. There are no large blocks of text on those pages, but I've added thumbnail links to old widget pictures that go to a page showing the larger image as a way to increase the "curio" factor of the site and raise it above the level of what some might consider a scraper site. On about a dozen of the pages I link to personal sites that talk about those repair shops.

I linked to it from an established site with PR5, and googlebot came by later that day. The established site deals with software and has nothing to do with widget repair.

Now a week later here are my rankings:

#10: "cityname widget repair" (including the quotes)
#2: cityname specific_repair_shop_name
nowhere to be found: cityname widget repair (no quotes)

Also, the new site is at PR0 (the established site is still at PR5).

Questions:
1. Is this the sandbox at work? Will I go up in the rankings for cityname widget repair (no quotes) after enough time?
2. Should I be worried about the PR of 0? Shouldn't it be at least at a 2 or a 3?
3. Does this have to do with scraper-ness of the site, and I should be ecstatic that google has given me this much?
4. Is this just because I only have one backlink and it will improve once I get a mix of backlinks?
5. I have a couple more such sites ready to be released. Should I likewise link to them from my PR5 site, or is that risky?

 

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:775527
 10:12 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does this have to do with scraper-ness of the site, and I should be ecstatic that google has given me this much?

Considering you have described a site with no original content - yes.

MHes




msg:775528
 10:19 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

1. Is this the sandbox at work? Will I go up in the rankings for cityname widget repair (no quotes) after enough time?
Yes, but this could take a very long time.

2. Should I be worried about the PR of 0? Shouldn't it be at least at a 2 or a 3?
Not yet and don't take too much notice of the toolbar pr. It can be a red herring.

3. Does this have to do with scraper-ness of the site, and I should be ecstatic that google has given me this much?
Yes, duplicate content could be effecting you. Original content works better but at this stage even if you had had original content the above pattern would be the same.

4. Is this just because I only have one backlink and it will improve once I get a mix of backlinks?
Yes, the more on theme back links, especially one way ones will help.

5. I have a couple more such sites ready to be released. Should I likewise link to them from my PR5 site, or is that risky?
If they are all on the same ip it could down grade the link. However, if the subject matter of each site is very different you should be ok. The safer bet is to get 'natural links' from elsewhere.

Lorel




msg:775529
 11:56 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google only updates it's PR about every 3 months (last one was 1st of Jan so hopefully 1st of April) however unless you get a lot of "quality" backlinks your site may not gain any pr until you do and if you currently only have a few links then you may have to wait till next update to gain any PR.

When seeking sites to submit to make sure you get the PR off the linking page also--no link pages in frames, no link pages that are produced from databases, no link farms or multiple links on pages--they all eliminate or drastically reduce PR.

blogger




msg:775530
 8:50 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Considering you have described a site with no original content - yes.

What I lack in original content I think I make up for in other areas. The other sites that deal in this area have various flaws: they look like they were designed in the 90s by someone who's even worse at design than I am, or they don't link out to personal pages like I'm willing to do, or they only have a few (presumably paid) listings for widget repair shops, or they try to be all things to all people by offering several different types of repair in several cities with the complicated menu system to go with it.

In any case, I've got two sites that are PR5: a software site and a blog. Then, I've got three of these widget repair sites. The other two widget repair sites cover different cities and they look identical to the first widget repair site since they were all created from the same PHP scripts I wrote for them.

And, I've got two entirely different IPs available:

IP #1: software site

IP #2: blog, widget repair sites

I've had a link from the software site to the blog for a long time, and I added the link to the first widget repair site right under it on the front page of the software site. (Of course, in the olden days that linking would have been completely normal: look, here's my blog, and here's a link to a new site I just made.)

It wouldn't cost me that much to move all three widget repair sites to yet another completely different IP, although I'd rather avoid it if at all possible.

But, if I moved them then I guess there wouldn't be a google-related problem from linking to them from at least the blog and probably from the software site as well, right?

DerekH




msg:775531
 9:22 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

they look like they were designed in the 90s by someone who's even worse at design than I am

Google indexes content. Design isn't content.
Design is therefore irrelevant, provided it allows pages to be navigated to. (And I think I could have expressed that more succinctly too, but you know what I mean...)

It's been said before - content is king.
Or at least, it's president...

DerekH

MHes




msg:775532
 9:35 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

If hilltop is being applied and I personally think it is, then you need some on theme links in.

sugarrae




msg:775533
 9:54 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>>1. Is this the sandbox at work? Will I go up in the rankings for cityname widget repair (no quotes) after enough time?

That's what it sounds like - assuming you're not in the top 1000 for the phrase with no quotes. But, since you only have one inbound link, you'll need to get quite a few more and then re-visit that idea.

>>>>2. Should I be worried about the PR of 0? Shouldn't it be at least at a 2 or a 3?

What toolbar are you looking at that updates after a week? Not that the number in the google toolbar means anything.

>>>>3. Does this have to do with scraper-ness of the site, and I should be ecstatic that google has given me this much?

I don't think the scraperness is why it isn't ranking (going from your description). Course, it may prove problems later when more filters are put into place and in the quest to accquire backlinks. Also, there could be possible duplicate content issues if it wasn't done "well".

>>>>4. Is this just because I only have one backlink and it will improve once I get a mix of backlinks?

You're not going to rank for anything, anywhere, without backlinks. Sandbox or not.

>>>>5. I have a couple more such sites ready to be released. Should I likewise link to them from my PR5 site, or is that risky?

My personal opinion is that crosslinking is only for the experienced and very knowledgeable. Doing it wrong could seriously hurt your sites.

****It's been said before - content is king

Not on my planet. The engines have been a links game for a long time.

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