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A real Google conundrum
Established site losing all its Google traffic
diamondgrl

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Msg#: 28756 posted 1:07 am on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a well-established site that over the past few days has lost almost all its Google referals. I think I know what's wrong but have no idea how to fix it.

First some background. The site is a well-established, deep-information site with many, many thousands of pages and a PR 6 on the home page. While we have attempted to get some links to us, most of the hundreds of links to us are spontaneous from a variety of professionals who find our content useful. Therefore, we're not at all dependent on the "latest" SEO tricks - totally white hat.

Up until this week, we got >15000 Google referals a day. We are not dependent on ranking for "blue widgets" or any other identifiable term - our referals come from thousands of different keywords a day which reflects the diversity of our content. Therefore, only a massive drop in the SERPs across the board can cause a >90% drop in referals, as we are seeing.

We still are in the index with the same number of pages and our backlinks don't seem changed. We still have the same PR showing throughout the site (for whatever that's worth since if there are changes, they probably wouldn't show immediately anyway).

Here's the kicker: Another site we own, let's call it widgetville.com, is showing up ahead of our real site, widgetville.org, in the SERPs when you search Google for "Widgetville". The higher widgetville.com site is shown without title or description. Widgetville.com has been 301 redirected to widgetville.org. Widgetville.com does have a backlink or two out in the world, but not the hundreds that the real site, widgetville.org, has so I don't understand the higher ranking.

If you search for "a bunch of widget words that you find on the front page", three other web sites who quote our mission statement appear on the page and our page doesn't. However, if you click on the link to show "omitted" results, we are listed as the omitted page.

In a way, it seems almost like our home page has been hijacked by our own non-functioning site. And it also seems to be like the whole canonical root problem that trips up some site owners except in our case it is between two domains, not a problem of Google getting confused between widgetville.com and widgetville.com/index.html.

We've had this problem before - a year ago - and I queried Google about the problem. I was told that it was a problem on their end, not mine, and they would fix it. The widgetworld.com listing was removed and within weeks, my traffic grew from a trickle to where I started hiring people to deal with the blossoming new customer base. Now all of that is threatened.

So, anyone want to take a crack at explaining this or giving advice on how to handle it?

I have taken one step to see what happens. I've removed the 301 redirect from widgetville.com and put a simple sentence on the page that says to click on the link to widgetville.org. I did this to disassociate widgetville.com from widgetville.org in case Google was somehow seeing duplicate content from the 301. Not sure how that would happen exactly since that is the prefered method of dealing with pages that are no longer valid, but this whole thing throws me for a loop.

 

Alleks

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Msg#: 28756 posted 11:56 am on Apr 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I had same problem in September when my traffic dropped down by 80% after 3-4 weeks it returned.
But from in February the same down happened. In beginning of the March traffic started to recover but it is still low, I suppose because my web site returned only to 8 datacenters of 10. I hope when I will appear on all 10 datacenters based on 64.*** I.P. traffic will come back in full volume

MovingOnUp

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Msg#: 28756 posted 1:00 pm on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm having a very similar problem with 301's not being honored with one of my sites.

A couple years ago, when I created the site, I had three different domains:

www.bestwidgets.com
www.cheapwidgets.com
www.cheapwid.com

I didn't know about Google duplicate content penalties back then, so I set it up where all three sites had the same content. About a year ago, I changed two of them (and the versions without www.) to 301 redirect to the primary one.

Not long after that, my Google traffic started dropping. I still get a little bit of Google traffic, but it's about 2% as much as I used to get.

I did a search for "site:www.cheapwidgets.com" and I see all three domain variations, plus one page from a search engine and one page (my main index.html) that looks like it was hijacked. All are in the Supplemental Results. Most of the cached copies after from six months ago or more.

Unreal: I just went back to check something from the search results, and in the time it took for me to type this message, everything changed. Everything shows the current site, the main index, and cached copies from this week. I'm still not finding my site near the top of any search results, and the traffic hasn't come back, but this is a good first step.

reseller

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Msg#: 28756 posted 2:28 pm on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

MovingOnUp

<Unreal: I just went back to check something from the search results, and in the time it took for me to type this message, everything changed. Everything shows the current site, the main index, and cached copies from this week. I'm still not finding my site near the top of any search results, and the traffic hasn't come back, but this is a good first step.>

Actually its very real. Its the exact phenomenon that I call "Rotating Algos" or the ever changing search results on Google.

In the good old days, Google serps were a WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get). But the serps of the present new Google are a CMIYC (Catch Me If You Can) :-)

Lorel

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Msg#: 28756 posted 3:00 pm on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)


Meanwhile, the SERPs have been doing all kinds of nutty things with relation to the widgetville.org site. If I search for "Widget Ville" on Google, sometimes it comes up fourth in the SERPS, even though it is a completely unique name and my site has, since day one, always been #1 in the SERPS for a search of the business name.

There might be more than one factor in place here. Every time you use Google you don't always get the same data center if you are searching during peak times. Watch the bottom of your browser screen for the number of that particular data center. Or check here to see how you are ranking in different data centers:

<<snip>>

[edited by: vitaplease at 5:28 am (utc) on April 12, 2005]
[edit reason] as per TOS - No Tools sites please [/edit]

MovingOnUp

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Msg#: 28756 posted 10:54 pm on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've been checking for months and this was the first time it showed those changed.

reseller

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Msg#: 28756 posted 5:39 am on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

MovingOnUp

<I've been checking for months and this was the first time it showed those changed.>

I guess.. more and more publishers and searchers shall notice:

- Ever changing "Rotating" search results and ranking.

- The decline of quality of Google serps.

UNFORTUNATELY (:(

otc_cmnn

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Msg#: 28756 posted 7:06 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've had almost the same problem which kicked in about about the same time: March 26/27th 2005

Our saturation slowly declined and then you could not even find our site in google even with a domain name search - nothing zero - nadda - we were completely removed and our referals feel to near zero.

58708 referals from google in February, only 15 so far in the month of april. OUCH!

Darned if I can figure out why. We have shown well in G for this site for years through many redesigns and server moves. The site isn't massively SEO'd and we do no 301/302s anywhere. We do have subdomains resolving and this may cause google to see dup content, but we now have 'ZERO' pages indexed for any sub domain-nuttin, in fact we might as well not exist..

I'm Baffled. Other domains on the same server with identical frameworks but different content (our sites work off of dynamic XML feeds specific to the domain names) are unaffected.

Are we being 301 hijacked? I'm not savvy enough to figure it out.

MikeNoLastName

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Msg#: 28756 posted 9:19 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wish I'd noticed this thread sooner, I could have told you pretty much what was happening with the spider. We had the exact same thing happen to all our domains on one dedicated server at the beginning of March. Turns out, in our case, the ISP had a router that was rejecting access from the Gbot by IP, I suppose because they were making too many accesses? This was the equivalent of the robot.txt/301 problem for Dgirl.

My ISP is a subsidiary of a VERY well known vendor starting with a 'V' and ending with 'web' who in turn is part of a yet larger group. It apparently affected quite a few clients who had dedicated servers serviced by the 'V' company. The thread was very well written, I think, using the terms 'alleged' and 'apparently' and affirming only FACTS I could prove from my own logs. If this forum had not censored my thread detailing the event at the time, Diamondgirl might not have had to repeat the problem - that thread STILL has not seen the light of day here. I don't know, perhaps some censor here is a major shareholder.

At first many of our descriptions disappeared. Next, the titles disappeared leaving just the URL. Some dropped from their previous rank, others, amazingly, did not until they vanished altogether. Some which had been 301'd reverted back to the non-301 address since G could not reach the first URL to realize it was 301'd (exactly like DG's example). G knew the pages existed because there were links to them and they had accessed them before, but since it no longer could access them, it put them in a sort of semi-indexed limbo for a few days until it tried a few more times, then dropped them. I noticed early on that Gbot (except for the imagebot which uses a different IP range) had stopped visiting, but didn't know why or what to do about it. I tried resubmitting, to no avail. The most well-linked (because the spider visited them most often, but now could not) degraded first. Other, less often spidered, pages followed later. Then after a few more days they vanished from the index altogether, dragging rankings on all our other interlinked pages down with them due to fewer backlinks. It took the ISP about 7-10 days (and some 'help' from VERY angry clients) to realize the problem and allow G back in. Fortunately we had a lot of external backlinks and we started resubmitting to G again and the bot was back slowly within hours. We still are not back to 100%, but I don't think there were any unusual long-term effects like re-sandboxing or duplicate content penalties or such.
Moral of the story: When your listings start looking different, and your ranks start dropping always check your access logs for changes in frequency of Googlebot visits and internal causes for it first. In other words, don't assume it is G's fault until you've eliminated all internal causes first.

g1smd

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Msg#: 28756 posted 11:23 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> The site did fine for years without that redirect in .htaccess, but I put it in when Google went weird on me in the fall. <<

Use a link checker like Xenu to fully check your site. A friend had both non-www and www version of their site accessible, and had no redirects in place. The URL they wanted to use was domain.com, the one without the www on it.

Google had a mix of www and non-www pages listed, many without title and description. We set up a redirect from www to non-www and the situation got worse. Google showed even less pages with a title and description now.

Running Xenu again showed a site map twice as large as expected and with 50% of the entries having a page title of "301 Moved". There was obviously a major problem somewhere.

Most of the internal links were to domain.com, but one or two were to www.domain.com and that is how the bot got started on the alternative URLs.

There was also some other factor creating this problem. This was caused by the fact that none of the internal links to folders ended in a trailing / as well as the base domain name for the site actually being www.domain.com rather than just the domain.com that we wanted to use.

So, when the bot tries to access a link to domain.com/folder the server issues a redirect to www.domain.com/folder/ and then the 301 redirect to domain.com/folder/ is finally issued. That is where Google was getting the www URLs from, and it indexed all of those without a title or description as it came across them.

Always make sure that all internal links to folders include a trailing / on them to avoid the redirect from folder to folder/ that otherwise occurs.

Once the links were fixed, and the 301 redirect installed, Google dropped all of the www pages within 3 weeks. All of the non-www pages are now in the index and all of them have a title and description too (140 pages).

diamondgrl

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Msg#: 28756 posted 2:01 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

MikeNoLastName,

Thanks for your own story. In our case, it doesn't seem to fit your facts very well. Googlebot is very active on our site still. We get thousands of hits per day from that source still. And they are not hitting 404s or 301s. I've checked the logs carefully to see if there's anything that stands out.

And there's no noticeable change in the SERPs when we do a site:www.domain.com search.

We have another site on the same server (no interlinking, FYI) that has a very similar profile - very large authority site with very diverse queries that lead to our site (probably 95% of all queries are completely unique). Also, the SEO actions (all completely white hat, not outsourced and not heavily focused upon) is very similar, i.e. very little. And this other comparable site has no problems whatsoever. The latest Google changes have not affected this other site negatively in the slightest.

So it is seemingly not something peculiar to this server or IP address or ISP. Nor does it seem related to the SEO profile or the general site type. Obviously PR hasn't visibly changed, but that may only be because of the typical lag of knowing anything.

So I'm still at a loss to explain it unless the confusion between .com and .us somehow - and I'm not sure how - has caused this decline. We may have seen a 10% referral improvement or so in traffic since I wrote this but too small to say that it is a real effect. And it's cold comfort.

Fairla

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Msg#: 28756 posted 4:23 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

For the other people who are noticing this: Have you reduced the number of impressions you're giving Adsense recently? I seem to get a big drop in Google traffic whenever I cut back on Adsense. I'm not saying it's a definite cause and effect. It may be just a coincidence. But so far it's a consistent coincidence.

Hollywood

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Msg#: 28756 posted 4:41 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well one of the largest SEO firms that use to be #1 for the most obvious term (For a long time) dropped from the #1 spot to Ziltch on Google.

What does this tell you, tells me link buying is bad. End of story unless done correctly.

You do not want to plaster your company name all over everything you do everywhere... if you do, hold on for the ziltch tag!

Hollywood

EBear

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Msg#: 28756 posted 9:46 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Going back to an earlier point:

How could widgetville.com been ranking at all if it had a robots.txt that excluded all bots?

Because it probably got indexed before the robots.txt excluded all bots. This would explain the url only listings, hard to get those to go away.

Actually, I think it's because it is linked to. If Google knows of the existence of a page, but finds itself banned by robots.txt, then it will not crawl (index) that page but it will list it. To me, Google is creating trouble for itself in doing this. Firstly, it makes a mockery of their 8 billion pages claim; secondly, it's a bit like my publishing your ex-directory phone number on the web just because I was able to find out what it is.

GlynMusica

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Msg#: 28756 posted 12:05 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Quickly Diamond Girl:

..have a well-established site that over the past few days has lost almost all its Google referals. I think I know what's wrong but have no idea how to fix it.
First some background. The site is a well-established, deep-information site with many, many thousands of pages and a PR 6 on the home page. While we have attempted to get some links to us, most of the hundreds of links to us are spontaneous from a variety of professionals who find our content useful. Therefore, we're not at all dependent on the "latest" SEO tricks - totally white hat.

- Google won't distinguish between a link-farm and one of those professionals, when you've got that many links you're bound to have a rotten egg in the basket. This is unfortunately what happens when SEO goes into the public domain, everyone does it and some people end up suffering.

Up until this week, we got >15000 Google referals a day. We are not dependent on ranking for "blue widgets" or any other identifiable term - our referals come from thousands of different keywords a day which reflects the diversity of our content. Therefore, only a massive drop in the SERPs across the board can cause a >90% drop in referals, as we are seeing.

- are these doorway pages? Google are very clear to drop these quickly. Even if on paper they are legitimate doorway pages don't expect compassion.

We still are in the index with the same number of pages and our backlinks don't seem changed. We still have the same PR showing throughout the site (for whatever that's worth since if there are changes, they probably wouldn't show immediately anyway).

- Yes, this is true. Google does some kind of mass ban, keeps the pages in the index, the PR the same but you just never appear against the keywords. Basically everything normal happens except the results.

Here's the kicker: Another site we own, let's call it widgetville.com, is showing up ahead of our real site, widgetville.org, in the SERPs when you search Google for "Widgetville". The higher widgetville.com site is shown without title or description. Widgetville.com has been 301 redirected to widgetville.org. Widgetville.com does have a backlink or two out in the world, but not the hundreds that the real site, widgetville.org, has so I don't understand the higher ranking.

- have a look and see if there are any affiliates monsters that have whitelabelled your content which sees it coming up as a duplicate. I did a domain search for an old affiliate domain and found some guys had nicked the domain name and put it in the title of their site! Similar contentjacking now takes the form of ripping listings and using them to keyword boost really badly designed affiliate pages. Looks lousy but know use preching to the uncovertable.

If you search for "a bunch of widget words that you find on the front page", three other web sites who quote our mission statement appear on the page and our page doesn't. However, if you click on the link to show "omitted" results, we are listed as the omitted page.

- this is gaining weight now.

In a way, it seems almost like our home page has been hijacked by our own non-functioning site. And it also seems to be like the whole canonical root problem that trips up some site owners except in our case it is between two domains, not a problem of Google getting confused between widgetville.com and widgetville.com/index.html.

- I think you can force the default page in the htaccess Directory Index =. Make sure this is set for your homepage and then delete any pages in the root that share a similar standard server setup (such as home.html, default.html, index.htm etc)

We've had this problem before - a year ago - and I queried Google about the problem. I was told that it was a problem on their end, not mine, and they would fix it. The widgetworld.com listing was removed and within weeks, my traffic grew from a trickle to where I started hiring people to deal with the blossoming new customer base. Now all of that is threatened.

So, anyone want to take a crack at explaining this or giving advice on how to handle it?

I have taken one step to see what happens. I've removed the 301 redirect from widgetville.com and put a simple sentence on the page that says to click on the link to widgetville.org. I did this to disassociate widgetville.com from widgetville.org in case Google was somehow seeing duplicate content from the 301. Not sure how that would happen exactly since that is the prefered method of dealing with pages that are no longer valid, but this whole thing throws me for a loop.

- Good luck with these problems. I left SEO precisely because the variables got too great. If you want certainty pay to play, if not don't expect any favours but do expect lots of confusion. And if you do decide to do old skool SEO, do it under another domain.

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 2:03 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

GlynMusica, your problems sound a lot like mine: a well-established, editorially diverse information site with a PR6 home page, many different subtopics, a "white hat" SEO approach, and a sudden recent drop in Google referrals (in my case, about 75% after March 23).

In the Supporters Forum, one very helpful member pointed out that Google was listing both the sitename.com (my preferred usage) and the www.sitename.com versions of my domain, and I began redirecting www URLs to the non-www version of the domain about 10 days ago on the theory that it was better to be safe than sorry.

Another thing that I noticed very recently was a huge increase in backlinks, nearly all of them from a community-based travelogue site. A couple of months ago, I'd linked to the site from a couple of my existing personal-travelogue pages, and they'd offered to link to my site from about a dozen related pages on theirs. As it turned out, they ended up linking to my site from about a dozen different running navigation bars on their site, which meant that I suddenly had hundreds of inbound links that I hadn't asked for and which, in some cases, were't directly revelant (e.g., a "More information on Whatsit, Belgium" link on a Whatsit, Belgium page when I didn't even have any content about Whatsit, Belgium). I don't know if Google spotted these unsolicited almost-run-of-network links and thought "Aha! Purchased text links!" or if my loss of traffic was coincidental. At any rate, I asked the travelogue site to remove the links from its navigation bars, since the links could be putting me at risk and often weren't useful to the site's readers in any case.

Of course, it's entirely possible that redirects, www. vs non-www., ROS links, etc. have nothing to do with your situation or mine, and that Google is simply causing collateral damage while implementing new algorithms, filters, data-mining techniques, or whatever. I'm inclined to believe that, over the long haul, Google will favor content over fluff, and that--for me, anyway--the best strategy is to continue doing what I do best instead of trying to second-guess Google.

GlynMusica

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 2:48 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

when you compare the keyword referrals that you were getting a few months ago with the keyword referrals that you are now getting is there a trend?

It's pure speculation but I always had a theory that Google might be penalising competitive keyword areas where there were adsense customers battling in the same keywords ground. From a business sense it would make it.

IE, I have position 1 for "holidays in tuscany" and hundreds of other keywords FOR FREE, my competitor is PAYING for "holidays in tuscany" and there is a queue of other PAYING ADVERTISERS battling around that keyword. So if that's the case, let's just dampen the traditional algo we use for giving good relevance to the organic listings and rotate make it a little unpredictable until people appreciate the value of paid listings.

If that's true then comparing two monthly keyword reports (or the reports back to back of the drop off time) you would be able to see a trend. Have some of the power keywords gone from your referral traffic? Or is it indiscriminate?

And I don't have this problem any more because I only do SEO for fun nowadays.

theBear

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Msg#: 28756 posted 4:49 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV,

That 301 redirect will save your bacon, which was well on it's way to the trash can.

We are now almost 2 months past 301 and traffic is returning.

GlynMusica,

Check your site using googles site:domain and site:www.domain if you do not use subdomains the numbers returned in the upper right hand corner should be the same or one will say there aren't any results for.

An other way to check is to see if domain and www.domain show the same page in a web browser.

If they both come up then it is 301 rewrite rule time.

If google sends its bots down vaild server aliases or visable subdomains it will index what it finds and since www.domain is the "standard" subdomain for web pages on domain and if you use relative hrefs then welcome to massive duplicate content city and a huge spam site drain starting point.

Watch out for staging or testing subdomains.

Pico_Train

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Msg#: 28756 posted 5:20 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I did the site:www.domain and site:domain checks and there is a difference of 1 in the results.

Trouble?

theBear

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 5:27 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Pico_Train,

It could be that you are seeing the start of something or the results from different Google servers, time to look deeper.

How many pages are in the site and can you see Googles full index for your site.

Does both the www form and the non-www form of your home page show up in a browser?

Do both pages leave the url unchanged in the browser address bar?

Do both show a 200 return code in a header checker?

Do you use relative hrefs?

g1smd

WebmasterWorld Senior Member g1smd us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 8:29 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Because it probably got indexed before the robots.txt excluded all bots. This would explain the url only listings, hard to get those to go away. <<

Easy to get them to go away:

Sign up for the free Google URL console urlcontroller and submit the URL of the robots.txt file to it and they will remove all those pages from their index in just a couple of days.

danny

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 6:48 am on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm in the same boat as GlynMusic and EFV - an established content site with a big decline in Google traffic. My www.google.com referrals are down to maybe 20% of normal (up slightly from about 12% of normal in March).

I have no single search terms that bring more than a tiny fraction of traffic - what's happened is a broad decline in rankings, almost all of them for non-competitive terms.

GlynMusica

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 6:54 am on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've just seen that the site that I used to manage now has 1,310 sites that mention it on the webpage. I checked the first two pages and sure enough looks to me like many of these sites are using a DMOZ directory that is just being created on the fly with Adsense down the side of the page.

The page sitting at number 1 against my domain has 9,000 other "pages" in it. Similar thing + plus keyword. Although the keywords used as a menu map at the bottom of the page show the extent of the keyword spewing problem....'wholesalers! Wholesalesr UK! whores! whore houses!'. This is a case of "so long as the visitor clicks on a money rendering link I don't care what they see!"

I'm not surprised though, if the content is free and there is a way to make money off it, somebody probably will. It's just sad that people couldn't keep it focussed, instead of getting it done so shamelessly.

To make an informed decision on the web now you need to have a domain lookup and lots and lots of browser windows open, otherwise you've no idea what kind of deal you are getting.

[edited by: GlynMusica at 7:36 am (utc) on April 13, 2005]

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 28756 posted 7:05 am on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

diamondgirl- in a very similar situation to you, and obviously others here.

Have you seen some day spikes and even hour spikes in a day where the traffic returns to 'almost' normal but then drops back again?

That is what we are seeing, sometimes in a day we will have a surge where traffic is 'almost' back to normal, and the same on an occasional daily basis.

Like others have mentioned, I am not making any changes and just keep adding content, updating etc as I always have done.

Reid

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 7:33 am on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

any of you guys checking site: for url's from other domains?
or have you done all that in march?
what is the history on this?

broker_boy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 9:41 am on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ive had the same problem,

This happened in January and also 2 weeks ago.

I found three problems

(1) www Vs non www copies of my ranking pages ( now fixed with a rewrite and 301).

(2) 6 302 redirects ( removed now)

(3) 1 meta refresh which replaced my home page in the serps on some of the datacenters.

I would quite like to issolate this down to 'the most likely cause' can anyone esle who's rankings have bombed see if they have similar issues?

Cheers,

BB

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 28756 posted 12:37 pm on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Brokerboy, sorry I did not respond to your sticky.

I am now 99.9% convinced my site(s) had (still have) a problem with non-www and www being indexed. The 301 is now in place on some sites and things are improving (very very very very slooowly though)

Googlebot seems to take ages to pick up the 301s though.

broker_boy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 12:48 pm on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo

When did you put up the 301?

Has there been a deepcrawl of your site since you put up the 301?

Finally have you emailed google ... i did this because i was unsure of whether or not 302's meta refresh or the www Vs non www was the true cause. The email was passed on to an engineer and i am waiting for a response ... this may well be wprth it because if you have a penalty for dupe content an engineer will be able to remove this.

Dayo_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 1:22 pm on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

BrokerBoy

301 went in about 2-3 weeks ago. One site has been crawled OKish - others not so good. Site crawled OK is starting to come back in the serps.

Errr - Tempted to email Google but so many have said that it has achieved so little.

broker_boy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 1:44 pm on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo can you email me a contact number i could really do with comapring notes about what you have done and what i have done etc. ( alternatively meet up on messenger)

This is sooooo important to me right now - knowledge maybe able to prevent a third catastophy for me

Cheers,

BB

(P.s. email to simon 'at' andromedawebs.co.uk)

diamondgrl

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Msg#: 28756 posted 1:52 pm on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Visit Thailand,

I haven't looked at the referer spikiness. We don't have our referer logs in quite that format.

Overall, we're seeing very slight creep back up but it'll take months at this rate to climb back.

One interesting thing we've noted is a huge increase in the number of pages Google has supposedly indexed of ours. I'm not sure how to interpret this.

aleksl



 
Msg#: 28756 posted 1:54 pm on Apr 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

what's happened is a broad decline in rankings, almost all of them for non-competitive terms.

This is called "Google$ optimizing SERPs for revenue". Their revenue, not yours. That can be done only one way - less free traffic to fellow webmaster who doesn't pay up in AdWords, more traffic to those who do.

Visit Thailand: I am not making any changes and just keep adding content

Yeah, that is a legitimate business model, right...

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