| 5:09 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks. I will sit tight; I'm too technically inept to chase algos, so I'll continue to focus on content (and on getting ready for an upcoming research trip, which I'm hoping will still pay for itself down the line!).
| 5:36 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|The outcome of these changes is that you may no longer rank as well for widgetown travel even though you have good links, anchor text, and authorotative content. What may take your place is a site with strong authority on TRAVEL and mention of widgetown. |
That explains my recent frustration. I was searching for information on some places we are going to visit in an upcoming vacation. You would think the local visitors center info would be first instead I was getting all this mass generated junk.
| 5:45 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You know, I was doing research on moving this summer and when I searched on the prospective cities my wife and I were looking into it was rare for me to get good results.
Most of the first three or so pages were filled with Adsense scraper sites with nothing but links to other sites--after three pages I usually gave up.
It may be that Google's getting a nice bonanza with the Adsense revenue from these sorts of sites, but people *will* get frustrated if search results persist like they are now.
Really, I've never been one to complain about Google, especially during a dance/update, but I have noticed a decrease in quality in my recent searches. How long it's been like this I have no idea.
| 6:15 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Google is for the searchers, not the webmasters.
The only possible response to the growth of 'SEO', is to deliver unstable results. There is no other logical reaction to link buying, on-page tweaking, etc. It's have slightly crappier results, OR, let y'all SEO blackbelts have their way and COMPLETELY skew Google's results.
I'm amazed at how much chit chat is spent with Google watching and getting the last laugh.
EuropeforVisitors's strategy (although he admits getting knocked out in this latest round), of building content, is the only way to succeed.
You guys may be down this week, but my main site just bounced back from Dec.17's dip. Yin and Yang, push and pull, uh, jump and uh duck.. etc.
| 6:26 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
i don't know if the serps have change the last hours but i made a search for the topic -city travel-and i went all over the main European capitals and well known cities ,well i discover that in the main capital cities and world known touristic places on the top between 1-3 is the most Authority page about travel that covers our lonely planet,so where is the crap results ,of course you can find at the top 10 some crap pages as well but that's the game,as for EFV he is doing very well at last in 2 big and interesting cities especially the capital of Bavaria #4 in over 5 000000 results.
| 6:39 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
flyerguy: sure google is for searchers.
But this is webmasterworld not searcherworld. This is why I really like to discuss problems right here, share weird theories and think about strategies to solve problems.
| 6:51 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Slightly off topic but....
In theory the ppc sites will give the best results for a search, because the advertisers are paying their hard earned cash for traffic.
Perhaps you should pause at some of these ppc scraper sites and start looking more closely :)
| 6:52 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"I know, this sounds strange. But maybe the new approach would be to use a keyword once, to have different information in <title> and <h1> and to avoid stuffing the article with keywords."
Not allways. I have seen #1 on a specific search keyphrases sometimes having only one keyphrase on the page, and other cases up to 5 per page.
BUT I have noticed the following which is very strange. Google is making keyphrases searches of its own choosing.
Allow me to illustrate that.
One of my pages covers free resources of Produc-X conversion and Product-Y trading. However I can see from my tracker that people land there when they search for "Product-Y conversion". Very astonished to find out that my page is #1 on the serps for the said search phrase. While my page doesn´t contain ANY term "Product-Y conversion". But the two terms "Product-X Conversion" and "Product-Y trading".
I.e Google chosen to merge two words; one from each of two phrases to end into "Product-Y conversion". It took "Product-Y" form "Product-Y trading". And it took "conversion" from "Product-X conversion". Merge the two words together into one phrase "Product-Y conversion"!
This is like you have a group meeting where there are a "John Hansen" and a "Erik Stark". You ask the secretary is Mr. "John Stark" at the meeting? she reply YES! she think let me take first name of "John Hansen". Let me merge it with family name of "Erik Stark".. and then I get no less than Mr. John Stark :-)
Is Google broken? it is up to you to decide.
[edited by: ciml at 10:28 am (utc) on Mar. 30, 2005]
[edit reason] "John Jensen" now "John Hansen" per member request. [/edit]
| 7:52 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"Perhaps you should pause at some of these ppc scraper sites and start looking more closely :)"
Perhaps you should pause at some of these ppc scraper sites and start sending G some spam reports :)
| 8:30 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|What can one do about this? It really depends. More inbound links from other pages scoring on the term youa re after is one way. My advice to you, however, EFV, is to sit tight and see if google comes to their senses. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. |
Quite right Mfishy
We have been through a lot of different ups and downs over the years, if your a good seo'r you will conquer this and more updates in the future.
Its all part of the job and adds to the excitement.
| 8:33 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My concern is not that we have changed places in the SERP, it is that so many absolute CRAP sites are showing up around us.
I wonder if they are using the Adwords algo now, where they pick the most irrelevant and/or ebay driven ad possible for your search terms?
| 8:34 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Atticus: LMAO! :-) Too bad the reports don't do anything though.
| 9:59 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 10:11 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|check 188.8.131.52 |
Yes! and ones i want to see!
| 10:17 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Looking better, but still heavy on autogenerated pages for the terms that I just checked.
| 10:20 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You might drive yourself mad picking on a particular datacenter.
Especially at this time of night (day) when they tend to add freshly crawled pages.
It is hard to find 2 datacenters the same - which one has the new serps and algo is anyones guess.
| 1:05 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Interesting find goofy.
Some of these results on that IP do look better but still not as accurate as many of them should be imho.
Anyway am not making any changes to my site, just doing what we always do, adding new and updated info on a daily basis.
| 1:06 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Sheesh, just found 30 Google cache pages appearing when I do a inurl:mysite.com search.
| 1:30 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
There is something about these results that google must find interesting. These were the results they were serving to me around 11:00 eastern time. I've noticed that they are serving these results nearly the same time each work day.
| 1:35 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
BillyS - that is interesting because I have seen a spike in stats (for just one hour) where we return to 'almost' normal figures for an hour. But it only lasts for one hour or so!
Overall daily visitors are down by massive proportions, as others have reported.
| 4:33 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Patience is a virtue.
| 5:37 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"check 184.108.40.206 .. new SERPS "
I did Goofy, and my site moved way up.
It would be surprising if it didn't move up.
From a field of 10 million sites, in my niche there are only
5 million on that DC, so of course I moved up.
With half the claimed listings, I suppose its a test center
and not for public consumption any time soon. - Larry
| 6:24 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Has anyone seen an instance when where they search for a three word keyword where normally your page appears in the SERPS, the actual title of the page was exactly the same as what you searched.
But in reality that is not the title of the page at all.
When I conduct another search with is where we used to appear number one for that term - also a three word search. The same page appears but with the accurante title.
How could that be? That G can produce the exact same page on the same site etc with two different titles?
| 7:13 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
When did alt text start being indexed again? I'm seeing phrases show up in snippets that only exist on the page in alt text of an image that doesn't link to anything. The phrase does not exits in any anchor pointing at the page either. Is it related to this mini update?
| 7:44 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 8:35 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Too bad the reports don't do anything though. |
Generally I agree! :( However, maybe they would if we ALL started sending them through en masse! Eventually some bright spark might check their "Do no evil" manual and decide that maybe something needed to be done ;) - on the other hand maybe this goes straight to "junk bin"!
I know it wouldn't really do much in the grand scheme of things - but makes you feel better for the 2 seconds worth of each dissatisfied with results post.
Cut and paste a stock response and it makes it even simpler!
| 9:10 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>Too bad the reports don't do anything though.
But they do. Google has no doubt been impressed by the quality of ppc sites (a fact you cannot ignore) and are ranking these sites higher :)
| 9:13 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
On the 220.127.116.11 site I get the same old results.
However, as of a few hours ago on the "old" Google site we moved back up from #50+ to #1.
I am so confused.........
| 9:39 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Saw friendly results occuring on 18.104.22.168. Now they are gone. But I saw them the first time on this DC - maybe the'll come back.
| 9:42 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
We have moved from over 1000 to position 5 for our main keyword and are back in the top 20 again, hope this stays.
| 9:47 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
yep starting to see some positive movement again back in the top 3 :)