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Backlinks updated Today
Marval

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Msg#: 28722 posted 10:23 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Noted a change in backlinks starting today - seems a small increase across sites I look at

 

jgbmarc

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Msg#: 28722 posted 7:13 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

reseller is thinking too hard..and what's god got to do with it?

reseller

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Msg#: 28722 posted 7:51 am on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

<reseller is thinking too hard..>

jgbmarc

Exactly..thinking too hard to make sense out of a situation which Google brought us in and which is best described as "no sense".

<and what's god got to do with it?>

To Believe or Not to Believe that is the question :)

Wish you a great day and a successful week.

WebFusion

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Msg#: 28722 posted 12:54 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Adopting to the new google may be difficult if the serps remain like this.
How can you adopt to an ever changing daily algo, you simply cant because as all good se optimisers know as soon as you get it right, they again move the goalposts.

Can you think of a better way to combat spam? Having an algo that was easy to reverse engineer was what got google into trouble in the first place.

If you run an eccommerce website for a living, you have to rely on google natural listings, none of the others come close,im sorry they dont!

WHAT A LOAD.

We were virtually non-existent in google for over a year (sandbox), yet we were able to both remain profitable AND grow our sales month over month utilizing other marketing channels. A more correct statement would be "If you don't knowledge necessary to create a site with strong enough conversions to generate profit from a paid marketing campaign, than you MUST have free traffic from google to survive."

The old marketing standbys still work. Create top of mind awareness, generate customer loyalty (i.e. repeat business), religiously follow-up with your customers, and keep your products/site fresh, and profits will follow. Far too many people have the same SEO marketing tunnel vision, and it leads to a HUGELY disproportionate reliance on entities over which you truly have no control.

flyerguy

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Msg#: 28722 posted 1:56 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Far too many people have the same SEO marketing tunnel vision, and it leads to a HUGELY disproportionate reliance on entities over which you truly have no control."

My Google mood radio controls Google via bluetooth. I've been letting the cats play with it, sorry guys.

Critter

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Msg#: 28722 posted 2:07 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well dammit, be more careful next time. :)

MHes

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Msg#: 28722 posted 2:16 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Far too many people have the same SEO marketing tunnel vision, and it leads to a HUGELY disproportionate reliance on entities over which you truly have no control.

You can't escape the fact that once you have your site working well, the more relevant traffic you get the more business you can do. Natural listings generate many times more traffic and are more profitable. Its not a question of "SEO marketing tunnel vision" but where the serious traffic at maximum profit margin can be found. "Disproportionate reliance" is never good, but the reality is that natural listings on Google provides huge business if you can get it.

willybfriendly

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Msg#: 28722 posted 2:19 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, in gtrying to pull this back on track (probably impossible after almost 400 posts in this thread)....

SERPs are, of course, continuing to bounce around. One thing I have noticed is this. On March 21 I made a one word change to the title on my index page. March 23 I moved from #4 to #2. I was quite happy with this until I came to WW and discovered that a larger "update" seemed to be taking place. (Hard to measure changes when other things are changing)

Anyway, for a while my new title was showing in the SERPs even as I bounced around in the top 4 spots. Then the old title came back in the SERPs. Now I am back to #4 with the old title showing, but I show a fresh date of April 2.

Conclusion that I reach is that what shows in the SERPS is coming from a variety of places and being blended in ways I don't understand. New fresh date, new cached page, old title, descripption from DMOZ/G-Dir.

And of course, a labile position in the SERPs.

Take someone smarter than me to put the pieces together in a way that makes sense.

WBF

reseller

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Msg#: 28722 posted 4:23 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

<Conclusion that I reach is that what shows in the SERPS is coming from a variety of places and being blended in ways I don't understand. New fresh date, new cached page, old title, descripption from DMOZ/G-Dir.>

willybfriendly

This what I call "Google Shot"

Reseller recipe

1/2 oz new cached page
1/2 oz old title
1/2 oz descripption from DMOZ/G-Dir

Chill and serve in large shot glass.

Enjoy :)

bekyed

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Msg#: 28722 posted 9:50 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reseller,

You obviously dont make a lot of money from the web.
or rely on this for an income then?
:)

bekyed

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Msg#: 28722 posted 10:00 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Webfusion.

I meant other search engines in terms of traffic.
Yes this is our six year with a 6 figure turnover, we started off on alta vista, lycos and then excite well before pay per click, then a little engine appeared called er google and suddenly everyone was using it The income become greater and greater from it. better than our off line adverts and the best thing about it was, it was free!
We certainly don't put all our eggs in one basket, but how many people could say if they went off google it would make no difference.
In our industry which has become a commodity, at £3.00 per click on adwords, the front page listing we have for the same position and keywords would cost us about £10,0000 per month easily.
Yes you can make a profit without google but i prefer cream with my dessert.

Bek.

reseller

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Msg#: 28722 posted 10:54 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

<Reseller,

You obviously dont make a lot of money from the web.
or rely on this for an income then?>

bekyed

Which money? Google engineers took away around 2/3 of my traffic (:(

However I'm recovering in slow motion after tweaking my pages. I guess the name of the game shall be; dilute ... dilute... dilute your SEO variables to match the "Rotating Algos".

You can never tell. Maybe I'm gonna write an e-book and make a lot of money; "Optimize for The Rotating Algos ... or Die" :)

[edited by: reseller at 11:05 pm (utc) on April 4, 2005]

bekyed

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Msg#: 28722 posted 10:59 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

lol!

:)

Rollo

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Msg#: 28722 posted 11:08 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree that the ever changing serps are a great way to combat spam, they also too often seem a great way to combat relevancy.

jimh009

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Msg#: 28722 posted 2:28 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

This update isn't over yet, thankfully.

When the update hit, about 80% of my Google traffic disappeared and my position in the SERPS plummeted - for very non-competitve, content oriented keywords. Using the Google Datacenter tool, in late March I was seeing identical results for keywords I checked across all these datacenters.

However, on about half the datacenters now I'm seeing newer results - not the same results that seemed to have settled down in Google a few days ago. Thankfully for me, my SERPS are back for virtually all keywords I checked in more or less the same positions as before.

Looks like this update is just going to keep going on and on.

Jim

rich42

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Msg#: 28722 posted 4:58 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

hadn't seen any significant changes in the serps for this round - then ba-boom.

today things are down 30% from same day last week.

anyone else just notice a drop in traffic?

tigger

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Msg#: 28722 posted 5:57 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

sorry rich42 mines gone the other way, I was hit with everyone else and over the last few days I've seen a gradual increase back to the old traffic levels

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 28722 posted 6:06 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

tigger - do you mean you were hit on the 23 or 24 March and now traffic is almost back to normal for you?

We have seen things get gradually a little better but are still a long way of the 'large' traffic numbers we were getting.

Spine

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Msg#: 28722 posted 7:06 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Same here, gradual improvement, but still down from before the 23rd.

kamikaze Optimizer

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Msg#: 28722 posted 7:31 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

hadn't seen any significant changes in the serps for this round - then ba-boom.
today things are down 30% from same day last week.

anyone else just notice a drop in traffic?

I am with you. Could it be a Pope thing? na

The SERPS are all showing 1/4 to 1/2 the normal results. When I find a server with the full results, I do well again...

Hey, as a side note, Yahoo and MSN also seem to be having the update fever... MSN = ZERO traffic, but Yahoo, hmm I like Yahoo!

ncgimaker

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Msg#: 28722 posted 10:10 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

today things are down 30% from same day last week.

Hah, I have that beat, my last visitor from Google was 4 hours ago from page 111-120 of their Belgian results.

Then 5 hours earlier an argentine visitor from page 241-250.... and he converted!

15 visitors a day, Amazon better watch out!

Searching for product descriptions, could the problem be Froogle? On some of the 5-7 word descriptions our Froogle listing is shown top of the search results and we are about 70 out of 108 results!

These are terrible results in the detail searches,
the top entry when searching for a product (7 word description phrase) is a glossary page, 2nd and 3rd and many others are lists of dictionary words on the page, most of the rest are log files of "words visitors used to come to this page" type things.

There are *no* other relevent pages for these products, not even scraper sites. We are the only stockist for the particular item I am searching for.

I thought at first it was word proximity, the sites higher up all have the words scattered about the page. But if I grab a 7 word phrase from one of the word list sites and search on that, the site with all the words in sequence comes up first with other sites (with the words scattered) ranking lower.

I know the tradition is to blame ourselves not Google.
So all I can say is I must be really bad at SEO to rank below log files and lists of random words in a search result with only 108 results...

reseller

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Msg#: 28722 posted 11:33 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

<15 visitors a day, Amazon better watch out!>

ncgimaker

Another sad reading. And another business site suffering, and another prospective customer for Adwords/Adsense. And I can hear Google“s shreholders shouting YES...YES... the more business sites suffer the more profit we get (:(

Do you mind sharing with us the history of your site since 3rd Feb. 2005?

Maybe its time to reconsider your SEO variables.

arras



 
Msg#: 28722 posted 12:08 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

check:
66.102.11.99
216.239.59.99
216.239.59.104
66.102.11.104
216.239.59.105
NEW SERPS!

tigger

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Msg#: 28722 posted 12:08 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

>tigger - do you mean you were hit on the 23 or 24 March and now traffic is almost back to normal for you?

I dropped about 50% of my traffic and I've not fully recovered but I've pulled back about 25% of the lost traffic

ncgimaker

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28722 posted 12:49 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Another sad reading.

Reseller, its not sad at all! We had our best March sales ever, and the new product line we're testing via printed catalogue next week. We had no rankings and didn't know that yahoo would update and give us a high ranking, so we decided to test them via offline methods. We expect to do very well, the printers have done us proud!

As for the numbers, in general terms we dropped 80% of our Google traffic in the Feb update, and our company name came back in March but other pages dropped further.

I know its our fault, we are a very very bad company. We must be, because "fluffy yellow widgets" on our site are worth much less than random streams of words on other people sites who don't sell "fluffy yellow widgets". Someday our shame will get to us and we'll change our site to random word lists and stop selling "fluffy yellow widgets", but for the moment we will just stay evil and pay our bills. ;)

Visit Thailand

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Msg#: 28722 posted 12:50 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

tigger sounds very similar to our situation. Although we may have only pulled back 20% or so.

RS_200_gto

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Msg#: 28722 posted 1:21 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Our Google traffic has dropped 95% in the early Feb update and at present time we are still 95% down and our company name is still lost in the SERBS, but we are up on the other search engines except the ones that Google supports.

arubicus

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Msg#: 28722 posted 2:01 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Feb update killed about 50% of our traffic. Never in any Google update have we had a problem. Our company name (unique) is also lost in the SERPS well it is about #20. We had a comeback in the second week of last month (company name back to first position) but slipped again at the end of last month right after the easter weekend.

What really stinks is having to sit here and wait. Trying to decide when is this thing done. When do we say "ok let's restructure". Since we do well in both MSN and Yahoo it may hurt us there to restructure for Google especially with this current algo. For us it may not be worth the risk. I guess I will focus on the two for now until we can figure out what the heck is going on.

reseller

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Msg#: 28722 posted 3:00 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

<What really stinks is having to sit here and wait.>

arubicus

You don“t need to. I know most of friends here prefer to follow the policy of "sit..wait..see".
The question is for how long? One month.. 6 months .. a year? For how long?

Something business sites owners might wish to consider is creating new "OUTLET-Site(s)" targeting Google. The outlets to cover reviews of their products and/or services in a manner which wouldn“t be regarded as duplicate contents of their current sites.
You might get such oulets to be indexed in Google in short time by purchasing links from few sites which are spidered daily etc...

This way you are not affecting your current site traffic from other serach engines.

WebFusion

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Msg#: 28722 posted 3:33 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Disproportionate reliance" is never good, but the reality is that natural listings on Google provides huge business if you can get it.

Agreed. However, the point I was trying to make is that those that think the ONLY way to have a reliable and growing revenue stream is through free traffic from google. It's simply not true. Google can give a big boost, but it is not the ONLY source of traffic out there.

We certainly don't put all our eggs in one basket, but how many people could say if they went off google it would make no difference.

Nor am I saying that. However, there have been dozens upon dozens of (for lack of a better word) "short sighted" individuals who, at the slightest interrruption in their free google traffic, scream at the top of their lungs of the inability of their business to survive without that traffic, the necessity to lay off employees, etc. I can think of many industries you couldn't generate thousands of targeted visitors to per day without being listed on a single search engine...te key is to seek out those alternate means, test each source, and build on the successful channels.

MHes

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Msg#: 28722 posted 4:23 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Tigger and others

Don't forget its still holiday season

(MHes clutches some more straws)

arubicus

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Msg#: 28722 posted 6:01 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Search engine traffic to me is just icing on the cake. If you get it, that is great. If you don't, find alternatives and build build build. For the short sighted that seems like too much work.

I like to build on balance. Our sites are well balanced on each of the major search engines. We also have plenty of incoming links/traffic. So if we go down on any one area we are still fine. Yes it may hurt to loose some traffic from any one of those areas, it doesn't mean game over.

Will we be able to get google traffic back? Who knows. I am able to get creative and find ways around, over, and through this situation. I am just trying to figure out if and when adjustments need to be made. Right now I see nothing to convince me that I need to take any sort of immediate action and adjust. So I will site tight for a bit.

[edited by: arubicus at 6:44 pm (utc) on April 5, 2005]

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