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msg:772911
 5:23 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've been looking for where all the SE experts gather to share information and this looks like it. I'm relatively new to SEO, but am trying to come up to speed quickly. I've read a couple of hundred posts here, which have helped a lot. Here are my observations and questions.

Here are the facts:

- I have a relatively new site, about 3 weeks old.

- I know google has indexed it, since I can find all my pages by searching for site:mywidgets.com. Plus, I see the googlebot in my logs. They indexed it almost immediately, I think because I put adsense on a lot of my pages.

- My PR is 0, which my understanding from another post here means that it hasn't been given a PR yet as opposed to a PR of 1, which means that I would have the lowest.

- There are a few inbound links from high PR sites that don't show up when I search for link:mywidgets.com. I know google has seen these links since I can see the google cache of those pages on other sites, but their votes for mywidgets.com apparently haven't counted yet. Or at least the votes can't be seen by searching for link:mywidgets.com.

- I can only get my site to show up in the google SERP if I search for a specific long group of words that only exists on my site.

My main questions are:

1) Is a search for link:mywidgets.com an accurate count of the number of votes my site has in the eyes of googles? Does it take time for the votes to register?

2) Besides having a keyword rich site and having lots of inbound links from high ranking sites to bump up a sites PR, are there any other proven ways to bump a site's placement in the SERP? There are lots of discussions here but those are pretty much the only concrete tips given out, or that I've seen at least. I realize the links from related topic sites matter, as well as anchor text, etc. However, those are just variations on the same topics.

I also have some "newbie" comments and observations I'll express here. Like most initial impressions, I'm sure I'm missing something and would be curious to hear the opposite points of view.

In my opinion, Google is a great company, but the PR method they developped is becoming less and less valuable as others cater their sites to perform well in the ranking system. Like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, the act of measuring disturbs what is being measured.

Though most valuable keywords (take Vioxx as an example) have a couple of credible sites at the very top of the search listings (official site, FDA, etc.), those got there because their sites have an incredible credibility rating and not because of the PR system. After the credible sites, there are a ton of sites that have simply conformed to Google's system of ranking, namely various forms of link spamming, in an effort to monetize in one way or another eyeballs that searched for Vioxx. After all the sites that have tailored themselves to appear prominently in the search results, there are the sites that have non-commercial vioxx related content and thus mostly don't spend time optimizing for google. I have noticed his pattern in keyword after keyword. It won't be long before users get fed up with the results they are getting.

Google has become so powerful now that they probably can't be dethroned in the search arena by anyone but Microsoft, or maybe AOL. However, I think one of these three companies need to come up with something to replace PR which works better. I'd be curious of ideas of better systems that anyone here might have.

 

jtbell




msg:772912
 8:48 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

1) Is a search for link:mywidgets.com an accurate count of the number of votes my site has in the eyes of googles?

No, it shows only a small random sample of the links that Google knows about. The general assumption is that Google has deliberately crippled the "link:" search so as to make it useless as a link analysis tool.

Wizard




msg:772913
 9:35 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are a few inbound links from high PR sites that don't show up when I search for link:mywidgets.com. I know google has seen these links since I can see the google cache of those pages on other sites, but their votes for mywidgets.com apparently haven't counted yet. Or at least the votes can't be seen by searching for link:mywidgets.com.

No, it's not that votes doesn't count - it's just Google doesn't show complete information for link: query, because it was used by SEO and they decided to make the game harder.

1) Is a search for link:mywidgets.com an accurate count of the number of votes my site has in the eyes of googles? Does it take time for the votes to register?

No, I've written the reason above. Better method is:
- find in Yahoo what pages link to you (unless you know)
- check their cache in Google, if there are links to your page in cached version
But you still can't be sure, because Google needs 1-2 days to refresh the cache after crawl and weeks or months to recalculate all the results of links.

2) Besides having a keyword rich site and having lots of inbound links from high ranking sites to bump up a sites PR, are there any other proven ways to bump a site's placement in the SERP?

Try giving links from your page to on-topic authority sites. This method is not entirely proved, but there are many observations confirming that linking to high ranked sites with good content may improve your rankings.

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