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sincraft




msg:716887
 12:08 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

My partner puchased our domain about a year ago - we recently (dec 20) put our site up and google found it immediately. We are on the first page for our secondary keyword phrase on msn, and page 4 for our primary which is over 1 million search per month.
Google however only did a deep crawl once a long time ago - and Y has never.
MY question is this: We have 0 page ranking, we have 0 listings in Google - same goes for the big Y.

We run an online store using osC as the software. Many others using the same software have no problems with page ranking.

We decided that because of the articles of Interest we plan to offer (only 4 up now) we didnt want those on the first page of our store so recently build an HTML based site for the splash page with proper headings and metas. Our density is pretty good (but who knows anything really about density, one checker gives 50% different results over the other).
So what do I need to do? I just received a response back from DMOZ stating that our website is pending review - but I am pretty sure it's going to get denied as it seems all shopping sites are getting denied. Only the ugliest ones seem to be allowed.
I'd LOVE for someone to take a look at our site but it's not allowd to post urls here so the best I can tell you is, everything SEEMS to be ok. We have a few links coming in from other websites (20 or so) and they are all pointing to this page. OUr links page is on the first page and is also in all html.

I'm getting very frustrated. Our servers are located in Canada so I am wondering if that has a possible effect.

How long can one expect to wait for ranking? It really seems unfair how a search engine decides by some strange method as to why to keep people not listed. We are a well established bricks & mortar store with 30+ years in the business and offer VERY quality customer service and are very good with our prices. The articles are written soley to inform people on our industry and have NO crosslinks to products inside the store as alterior motives. So it's very frustrating to see google hit your site once every other day and just stop dead and find out that you sitll have NO listing. I can barely find us if we type our store name in and it shows the UNTITLED DOCUMENT that the person before me put up as a COMING SOON page STILL TO THIS DATE!
What the heck is google doing?

Please, enlighten me or point me to sandboxing threads - i've search but the discussions seem to be wrapped around 'are you doing this or does your site have that' - My site follows all the 'rules', has links to and fro, and is NOT heavily overly optimized which I hear now can give you the sinks in the SERPS (not that we need to worry about that with them).

THANKS for your time, I truly appreciate it!

S

 

jdhuk




msg:716888
 4:44 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

My partner puchased our domain about a year ago - we recently (dec 20) put our site up and google found it immediately.

If the domain had no content and no links pointing to it until Dec 20th then this is when the domain would of been "flagged" regarding the sandbox, the clock will be ticking from then as to when it will be released could be anything from 6-9 months sometimes longer. The VERY minority will say there is no sandbox but rest assured there is 100% some sort of filter in place.

I just received a response back from DMOZ stating that our website is pending review - but I am pretty sure it's going to get denied

DMOZ is not the be all and end all to good ranking in Google, people worry much to much about DMOZ, forget it, if they list you then great if they don't, don't worry about it, good content and strong IBL's will be sufficient. There are a plenty of directories out there that are far more easier to get listed in.

I'm getting very frustrated.

So are thousands of others, keep building on content, keep those quality IBL'S coming with varied anchor text and surrounding text, you have to wait just like every one else there's no "quick fix" other then Adwords. If you cant wait then pay.

I can barely find us if we type our store name in and it shows the UNTITLED DOCUMENT that the person before me put up as a COMING SOON page

That should of corrected its self by now why it hasn't i don't know, however 1 question springs to mind. Who did your partner buy the domain from, i mean was it a brand new domain or previously owned?

sincraft




msg:716889
 11:19 am on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the input.

Regarding the domain - newly purchased, just took awhile to get to.

Thanks for the words of wisdom regarding the length of time that it would require to be 'picked up'.

Question - Does Adwords carry any weight towards being crawled, ranked, un-filtered, etc - or is it's only purpose to generate traffic.

S

nippi




msg:716890
 10:32 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

No offence, but its probably more a case of you don't know how to set up a site (escpecially osC)so search engines will index it.

Have you removed the session ids using a rewrite rule? Got a goood site map? Got relevant keywords and descriptions. Got relevant anchor text in your links? Got an active links program?

You need to address these, you are not looking in the right areas for a problem.

EarWig




msg:716891
 11:00 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Question - Does Adwords carry any weight towards being crawled, ranked, un-filtered, etc - or is it's only purpose to generate traffic."

Adwords has no help/effect on your free listings in Google

EW

jdhuk




msg:716892
 12:10 am on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

sincraft - heres some info that might be useful to you.

[oscommerce.info...]

sincraft




msg:716893
 12:48 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

did it, done it, been there.
I don't have osc setup in my root. I have a 'gateway' page with faqs, several articles of 4 or more paragraphs ranging from 100 - 1000 words depeneding on which one you check into.
I have a links area
I have several other areas that can't be linked to from the osc store therefore that's why I have this 'gateway' page up.
Eventually the entire site is going to be a 'tips and tricks' page with product plugs throughout the entire site leading htem to the online store.
I use h1 tags, bold, italics, anchor text, recipricol links etc etc etc..

nada.

S

sincraft




msg:716894
 12:59 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

did it, done it, been there.
I don't have osc setup in my root. I have a 'gateway' page with faqs, several articles of 4 or more paragraphs ranging from 100 - 1000 words depeneding on which one you check into.
I have a links area
I have several other areas that can't be linked to from the osc store therefore that's why I have this 'gateway' page up.
Eventually the entire site is going to be a 'tips and tricks' page with product plugs throughout the entire site leading htem to the online store.
I use h1 tags, bold, italics, anchor text, recipricol links etc etc etc..

nada.

S

rescendent




msg:716895
 9:47 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've been in a similar situation for a while and it seems google marked me down as a don't bother page and stopped visiting as my site never changed.

I resubmitted and everything. All this seemed to achieve was to place my index page in the google index. Just the URL not the actual page.

However I have recently had some links off live rapidly changing high page ranked sites and the google bot has come back to my site (after 6 mth absence) and pages have started to be fully indexed.

I would recommend getting links to regularlly bot'ed pages. Obviously if you could do something as heavyily indexed as BBC news you'd be away (and I wish that would happen to my site, but the interest would probably crush my web server at the same time), but the important thing is to get you links out there... They are more important than anything else to get indexed.

Obviously when you are being indexed your content is the most important thing, but that's life...

rescendent




msg:716896
 10:55 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google states they hate gateways and love sitemaps. I don't think the googlebot really cares one way or the other, but why not comply and link to a sitemap linking your unlinkables from your main page?

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