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Solutions to 302 Hijacking
chadmg

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Msg#: 28526 posted 8:48 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I haven't fallen victim to this scam yet, but I'd rather prevent this than react to it. So I'm enlisting WebmasterWorld's help in coming up with a hopefully only temporary solution. Here's one idea I've had. Maybe we can improve upon it or come up with a better one.

  1. When someone visits a page on your site, you detect whether the referrer is from an outside website. (Yes, I know that the referrer is not guaranteed correct, but it's all I've got.)
  2. You check this referrer against a list of trusted referrers, whether from a database or text file or other means.
  3. Optional: Check the server headers of the referrer for a 302 redirect.
  4. If the referer is yet untrusted (and a 302), you log the referer and display a meta tag on the page, such as

    <META NAME="GOOGLEBOT" CONTENT="NOINDEX">

    This way other SE's will still index you.
  5. Then you look through your referrer log on a regular basis to see if you can trust any of the your new referrers

 

ciml

WebmasterWorld Senior Member ciml us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 3:06 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

That is a nice idea chadmg, but Googlebot doesn't send the 'referer'.

Also, if there happened to be a redirect to your home page, along with many other links, then you wouldn't want to instruct the robot to de-list that page,

john316

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 4:15 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I posted this earlier in the long thread but it may have gotten lost in the noise.

I did this to one ripper:

it is two steps, you need their IP, htaccess and php:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{REMOTE_ADDR} ^111\.111\.111\.111$
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI}!^/redirect\.php$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*) /redirect.php [R]

That will send requests from their IP to your redirect.php file that contains:

<?php
header("Location: [where*you*send*them.com...]
exit;
?>

That will send the request coming from their IP to lala land so when doofusbot requests h*tp://www.example.com/gotosite.asp?ccxxyyourstuff.com it gets www.where*you*send*them.com/whatever.html, I would recco a few destinations, but that is up to you (bad neihborhoods come to mind).

It takes a few weeks for the interlopers cache of your stuff to disappear.

elklabone

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 5:48 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, so now is there a way to automatically detect if someone is trying to do this to you? Maybe someone smarter than me could put an open-source package together that was written in PHP, and ran on a crontab and checked once a week or so for sites that are doing this, then could automatically notify the webmaster to add the appropriate rewrite rule to htaccess. That would be awesome.

--Mark

thnkfst

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 5:31 pm on Mar 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was actually able to successfully get the fool who hijacked my site to remove the link.

Does anybody know how long it takes to recover from such a hit?

Has anyone been able to recover any of their rankings?

BigDave

WebmasterWorld Senior Member bigdave us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 7:04 pm on Mar 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Has anyone tried moving their URL and putting in a 301 on the address that has been hijacked?

martingale

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 8:17 pm on Mar 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

None of this will work. Googlebot does not "follow" a link from the other page to yours; and it doesn't matter one whit whether you stop other people from doing so. All that matters is Googlebot. Nothing else.

catch2948

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 3:24 am on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmmm ... I am trying to do this, but once I add the lines to my .htaccess file, my entire site becomes unviewable (eg - server returns 403 errors for all pages. I have the correct IP of the jacker ... WHat could be happening?

The following line appears in my error log:

Options FollowSymLinks or SymLinksIfOwnerMatch is off which implies that RewriteRule directive is forbidden: /home/virtual/site1/fst/var/www/html/

oagady

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Msg#: 28526 posted 3:49 am on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe that chadmg's idea may work. In this case when Google follows that questionable redirect, it gets the meta tag "<META NAME="GOOGLEBOT" CONTENT="NOINDEX"> ". When it follows other links, it doesn not get this meta tag. The question is - can it hurt your position in Google (the fact that sometimes it gets "NOINDEX" and sometimes not)?

Olga

catch2948

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 3:55 am on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Figured out that I had to add the Options +FollowSymLinks line in htaccess. But it is still not working for some reason. Just not returning 403 errors anymore.

Edouard_H

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 4:37 am on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

The two solutions offered in this thread may work in other scenarios, but not in the case of page jacking (301 > 302 from non cachable pages with meta refresh). The redirect pages are not the referrer nor are they the REMOTE_ADDR.

ciml

WebmasterWorld Senior Member ciml us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 10:20 am on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Googlebot does not send the 'referer'.

chadmg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 3:23 pm on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Alright, I must have been very tired to forget that Googlebot does not have a referer.

Does anyone who has had this happen to them know what happens when you take the page that is 302 redirected to and do a 301 redirect to another page? Does this have any effect on fixing the problem after you've been hijacked?

Reid

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 5:38 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

RewriteRule ^example\.html$ h**p://www.example.net/example.html [R=301,L]

what bout doing this to each and every page?

edit in - this way your server will never return a 200 always a 301 you can set up a .htaccess in each directory for the files in that directory.

Reid

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 7:40 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

cmon guys we need a solution NOW!

there are e-books 'how to make $'s on the internet right away' 'how to become rich instantly' 'the secret to making money on the internet' these are all about how to build a scraper site and hijack google with 302's.

There is SEO sofware "instant results" it is automated 302 hijacking software. People are buying it up. We can't wait for Google or MSN to fix it, we need a bulletproof solution right now.

Any guru's out there? How would googlebot respond to no 200's just 301's every page every time?

BigDave

WebmasterWorld Senior Member bigdave us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 8:40 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

cmon guys we need a solution NOW!

If you need a solution (I certainly don't) then try doing some experimentation on your own site. I can't do anything because I don't have the problem.

How would googlebot respond to no 200's just 301's every page every time?

Uh, you have to eventually give it a 200. Setting up an infinite loop of 301s ain't going to help your ranking, traffic or conversions.

Take one of your pages that is having problems with this. Change the name of the file, and set up a RedirectPermanent and tell us what happens.

indigojo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 9:01 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Can't we have the TOS rule lifted just this once and compile a list of all the known hijackers. Surely this is for the greater good...

T_Rex

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 8:09 am on Mar 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

John316, an excellent idea. I love it. Is it possible to just leave out the the second mod_rewrite condition and the rewrite it offsite [R=301,L] to their homepage. Doesn't have to be with PHP does it?

Lorel

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 11:50 pm on Mar 18, 2005 (gmt 0)


Can't we have the TOS rule lifted just this once and compile a list of all the known hijackers. Surely this is for the greater good.

They would be sued by every one of them (which is the reason for the TOS) and besides it would use up all of WebmasterWorld's bandwidth just for that one thread.

Bobby

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 12:14 am on Mar 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

cmon guys we need a solution NOW!

I know this might sound off the wall but...

What would it take for Google to simply set up a system where a special 'spider' verifies whether or not pages (which are suspected as hijackers and have been submitted thru a form by the hijackee) are indeed using a 302 or whatever clever script they've got to steel the content from another site?

Once the hijacker is detected the domain could be put on a black list or forever banned preferably.

The form might include both the hijacker as well as the hijackee so as to facilitate verification.

T_Rex

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 4:06 am on Mar 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Lorel: If you want the info, (other than vague wha-wha about who did it) you can go elsewhere to pick up on a little of that. I posted a similar inquiry for a new thread earlier this evening that was automatically machine-diabled (put on hold) and still is. Probably I triggered a Lawyer-related stopword, but I donít know how to dance around them. Maybe they donít have so many Laywers*)&%* in Germany. Try this: [forum.#*$!.com...]

T_Rex

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 28526 posted 4:16 am on Mar 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Lorel: Sorry that the URL didn't get through. If you do a search for "In a german discussion board I found a very simple solution to that" you can find it that way. I guess I'm not having a very good IT night. But then I'm not even an IT professional. I'm just some guy with a Master's in Engineering who is trying to learn and does this for a hobby and supplimental income. I have developed a sucurity plan to move forward with this topic; I'm not resting on my laurals waiting for "it can't happen Here" so let google fix it.

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