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Google SandBox effect
sacrelage




msg:755997
 10:00 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have been reading a lot about the Sandbox effect of Google and pretty much confused.

I understand that the Sandbox is a sort of a container where in when new sites are indexed, initially they have a high search ranking and later fall into the sandbox and plummet low in the rankings.

The reason for ranking high is for those new sites to get links from other sites, and later when they come into the sandbox, they are given time to build links naturally.

Correct me if my observations are wrong.

Now the obvious question that comes to my mind is:

1. How does Google determine, for which keywords, the site has to be ranked high? Say for example, my site consists of 3 or more keywords, with prominence of atleast 60%, will my site rank high for those 3 keywords?

2. How long does it take for the site to come out of the sandbox again?

I've heard that site ranking on Google, also depends on the age of the site. So does this mean that the older your site, the more higher your ranking will be?

3. Page Rank: In my observations, i've seen sites with PR3 or 4 rank higher than PR5 and above sites. So this puts to rest the fact that Link Building is just a part of the whole gamut of achieving good rakings.

4. Is there a way to check whether a particular site is in the Sandbox and an ETA when it will grow out of it?

Thanks.

 

SEOMike




msg:755998
 4:44 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

1. How does Google determine, for which keywords, the site has to be ranked high? Say for example, my site consists of 3 or more keywords, with prominence of atleast 60%, will my site rank high for those 3 keywords?

The SEs determine your importance by reading your site to see what you are related to and some other factors. Just like all the other sites on the net. If by prominence of 60% you mean that 60% of the words on the page are your 3 targeted words... that's pretty spammy.

2. How long does it take for the site to come out of the sandbox again?

Results will vary based on the site / links to it. I've come out in a few weeks, and have seen some that come out in a few months.

I've heard that site ranking on Google, also depends on the age of the site. So does this mean that the older your site, the more higher your ranking will be?

Not necessarily. The Oldest site on the net [symbolics.com] doesn't rank particularly well for much, and doesn't show any PR. Age is not a huge factor in my opinion. I've beaten old sites in the SERPS with sites that are only a few months old.

3. Page Rank: In my observations, i've seen sites with PR3 or 4 rank higher than PR5 and above sites. So this puts to rest the fact that Link Building is just a part of the whole gamut of achieving good rakings.

You're right, link building is a part, but content is king. A high PR site may not have sufficient content to tell the SEs that it's an expert on whatever you searched.

4. Is there a way to check whether a particular site is in the Sandbox and an ETA when it will grow out of it?

Yep. Do this search in google:

site:yoursite.com -asdf -asdf -asdf -fdsa -sadf -fdas -asdf -fdas -fasd -asdf -asdf -asdf -fdsa

That'll show your site if it doesn't show up for the regular site search. if it comes up using the search above, it's probably sandboxed.

Hope this has been helpful.

sacrelage




msg:755999
 6:04 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok.. I think I got some bad news... When I typed in
site:yoursite.com -asdf -asdf -asdf -fdsa -sadf -fdas -asdf -fdas -fasd -asdf -asdf -asdf -fdsa

My site came up in the 2nd listing. Rather, the first listing was pointing to a certain page on my site.

But, the other day I was going through some tools and it gave a score of 55.67% which the tool stated that anything below 60% shouldnt be a bother.

Now, what needs to be done? Remove the keywords and try re-submitting it?

Also, I read somewhere that if you submit a URl something like http:// www.yoursite.com/?keyword it would improve your site listing. Is this true?

Thanks for your reply.

kjelle




msg:756000
 7:54 pm on Mar 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the explanation seo mike.

Could you please clarify for me how to see if the website is sandboxed.

i cant understand sorry, here is my test link for my website is this one sandboxed
[google.com...]

Becuse i have been on the first page for this keyword 'corfu car rental' for over 2 years, but now i am gone and i try to undestand why?

could any one out there help me to explain what is wrong with the site for the google search engine.

warm regards kjell

rfgdxm1




msg:756001
 12:34 am on Mar 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Not necessarily. The Oldest site on the net doesn't rank particularly well for much, and doesn't show any PR.

It's PR5 on this box.

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