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Will Drop from PR6 to PR 4 hurt my rankings?
wchan07




msg:727571
 12:17 am on Feb 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I am losing a listing in a major directory in yahoo. I can't afford the $300 a year. This part of yahoo has PR7 and is giving my site PR 6. I wanted to know how bad an anticipated drop from page rank 6 to page rank 4 would affect my site in terms of:

1) google search results
2) how many pages get crawled and index on my site

My next strong affiliate has PR 5.

my site has this structure

home -> 7 subtopics ->12 -24 subtopics -> 6 pages

I heard the google doesn't care about PR for rankings anymore. This I have seen but a drop from PR 6 to PR 4 makes me nervous.

As far as getting google to spider me i have heard that is more a function of page freshness, and I do keep my content fresh.

My site generally has a lot of fresh content, it is updated 2 or 3 times a week.

Will a drop in page rank affect my rankings? Thanks

 

wchan07




msg:727572
 7:19 pm on Feb 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi anyone have any experience with this?

bears5122




msg:727573
 7:25 pm on Feb 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

It is hard to judge what losing a major link to a website will do. In my opinion, it will hurt your rankings, not because of PR, but because you are losing a strong link from an authority site.

The Contractor




msg:727574
 7:27 pm on Feb 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Will a drop in page rank affect my rankings? Thanks

I would feel pretty confident to say it won't help you ;)

Seriously, if you made up your mind already it doesn't really matter. I know I can monetize a PR7 site to at least pay for a $299 a year Yahoo listing. I'm sure you could too with a little thought.

steveb




msg:727575
 7:52 pm on Feb 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's not just PR. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. In this case you lose PR by losing some quality links from Yahoo.

It almost certainly would hurt your rankings a lot.

And you say "I heard" twice for bizarro concepts. Stop listening to whereever you hear this nonsense.

MrSpeed




msg:727576
 3:32 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is anyone sure Yahoo passes PR? I didn't think they did. I just checked a few sites of mine and Yahoo is not showing in the backlinks.

Highlighter




msg:727577
 7:34 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi

I have not really worked hard on a PR ranking as dmoz put me into a PR4 slot - until recently this gave a PR of 4 - now it has dropped to 3.

Has it affected my listings - in a word, NO - I spend more time OPTIMIZING my pages. Many pages on site have no ranking at all - yet they still receive top 10 placings, many in the top 3.

Sales have trebled over the last year and continuing to rise.

Alexa Ranking from 1,200,000 to 560,000 with some weeks almost in the top 100,000.

Running neck to neck with a competitor last year who has a higher page ranking (6), to being over 1 million ahead of them now.

Stop worrying about page rank as long as it is not 0 and get on with optimizing pages which do go down in listings.

Study the new Google Suggest
[google.com...]
and get the right keywords/phrases for your site.

Look for those keywords/phrases with the most searches and the least competition from other websites, making it easier to get high listings, and watch your callers grow.

As long as you update pages on a regular basis - google will still call - it is hungry for new information. Try Bogging, it can be fun and its free - set the blog to be hosted your own site and google will be around more often and follow the links in your blog.

www.blogger.com

All the best
Ken

ogletree




msg:727578
 7:46 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo does pass PR. I have sites that rank one less than the PR on the yahoo directory page. All other sites pointing to me have less pr than my site.

The best way to tell is look and see. If your site did lose that much pr then you should know by now. PR is not that big of a deal. If you still have the same sites pointing to you with the same anchor text more than likely you won't because you are ranking because of the anchor text not the PR.

PatrickDeese




msg:727579
 7:48 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think a link from a PR 7 on theme page on an authority site is worth $299 dollars a year.

The link marketplace would probably charge that per month.

Have you considered monetizing your site with some affiliate programs or adsense?

wchan07




msg:727580
 9:15 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well again I'm really broke and can't affor the $300 bucks. If I could i wouldn't care. My pages are optimized. I guess i won't really know until i get dropped.

steveb




msg:727581
 9:20 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Perhas you should sell the site then, or perhaps more to the point, sell advertising on the site, for say $299 for a year. Killing the value of your domain would be at best penny wise and pound foolish.

wchan07




msg:727582
 9:20 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

ogletree / highlighter you have made good points. well does anyone feel i am getting points from yahoo being an authority. all yahoo does is point to my site name

<a href="mysite.com">mysite.com</a>

and they are not contributing link text to my site.

nor is the category i am in helping my keywords as it is very broad.

so if yahoo helps me it is the PR and the fact it is an authority.

that seems to be the opinion here that the PR is not that important. Well now i am concerned about losing a link from an authority site, i hope it doesn't hurt me too bad.

I add content 2 to 3 times a week and try to keep my site fresh

Highlighter




msg:727583
 11:22 pm on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi wchan07
Do-it-yourself link checking.

check your links via google search

search phrase
link:www.yoursitename.com

These are your sites quality links.

Set your google preferences to dispaly 100 results

Press [Ctrl & F] keys at the same time on your keyboard
enter yahoo in the search box - click on [Find Next] a few times and see if the the yahoo directory comes up in the search.
If not and if you have more than a 100 listings linking to your page then click on google page next page and repeat the process.

if yahoo directory does not appear anywhere in the results - then the directory is most likely NOT adding PR to your site

You can check for even more quality and non-quality links with the following search:

link: www.yoursitename.com

Note the space after the colon [:]

This will bring up most of the sites linked to your site:

re-check for yahoo listings

Of course, if you have many thousands of links to your site - it becomes a mammoth task.

Hope this helps

Good Luck

Ken

PatrickDeese




msg:727584
 1:43 am on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

if yahoo directory does not appear anywhere in the results - then the directory is most likely NOT adding PR to your site

Um. That's not true. I have a site that is PR 4 that shows zero backlinks. Does that mean it doesn't have PR or that Google just is not showing all backlinks, independent of whether they pass PR or not.

shri




msg:727585
 2:32 am on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> I can't afford the $300 a year

Sell your site and get out of the business then. Will be worth more to someone else, than what you are making of it.

There are TONs of resources available here which you should really read up on and figure out how to monetise your site. If you spend your time on the money part, you'll very quickly reach a stage where the $300 does not matter.

caveman




msg:727586
 5:27 am on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Indeed. A PR6 site and you can't afford $300? Something is wrong.

As for whether or not losing the PR& will hurt much, it'll hurt a lot more if you have 20 links instead of 200. And it'll depend not only how many other IBL's you have, but on where the other links come from, and what the anchor text says.

For most of my strong sites, losing one PR7 link would not matter enough to see in the SERP's.

For most of my newer sites, it would matter more than a little. But then again, so would changing our great title text to cr*ppy title text.

Bottom line, in your situation, sounds like you need to keep the PR7 and every other advantage you have, and find a way to earn 10 X $300 in additional annual revenue.

bloke in a box




msg:727587
 9:45 am on Feb 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Give me the domain, I'll sort the $299 ;)

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