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Update Allegra Part 2 Update 2-2-2005
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msg:752948
 11:51 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

complain about a real problem

Can't see the sandbox being a "real" problem, or a problem at all. It's there to stop the SPAM. If I start a new company called Mesothelioma Lawyers Ltd you reckon I should show up in the top 500 purely because that's my company name?

Sure, the "sandbox", whatever it is, hurts some. It hurts people who are creating sites for free traffic. Many of them are spammers/freeloaders. It also hurts others. They - particularly anyone starting a new business with a business plan that relies on free SE traffic - are probably better off staying unemployed (or employed if they can find a job). Any new site starting off on the premise that free traffic will sustain it deserves to fail.

So, if you remove the sandbox as a reasonable cause for complaint, and remove most of the other whining, we'd reduce this thread to one page and those that can't even be bothered to read it will get a personal reply from Googleguy because he owes them.

 

natural number




msg:753098
 5:20 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

whoomp there it is.... it takes a while for this update to update, but the newer serps on some of the dcs are going moreso to better results. ones that i think are more sensible for my kw.... wowsers i am using lots of lingo. stay cool, in the long run the best site will prevail.

nuthin




msg:753099
 5:23 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

the [66.102.9.104...] serp's are now showing up on the .com for me as of a few minutes ago.

hopefully they will now finally "stick".

can only hope! :)

guddu




msg:753100
 5:38 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its 64.233.189.104 for me for .com

irock




msg:753101
 5:51 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't understand. My backlink count is still jumping between around the two figures. What gives? The update is still updating?

fiu88




msg:753102
 6:12 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

finally...some high G rankings.......

Stujoe




msg:753103
 6:32 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am back to where I was 5 months ago if not a bit better. My g referrers has trippled or more in the last 2 days.

steveb




msg:753104
 6:33 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"www.Google.com is the one anyone as user would use in general."

As walkman said, there is no Google.com

Results from the various datacenters feed Google.com at different times, sometimes changing minute to minute. What one person sees on Google.com can be totally different than what another person sees.

There is no point talking about google.com, ever. It's just datacenters.

<and now again it seems the it-has-to-be-corrupted 216.239.57.104 is sending its data to many datacenters>

guddu




msg:753105
 6:44 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

yes very true, again a shuffle in results.

cabbie




msg:753106
 7:41 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Im my field 216.239.57.104 is poor and and laughable but it seems to be on most DC's.
I wish the thing would sort so I can start working with whats left.

sem4u




msg:753107
 8:42 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

There appears to be two sets of results when looking through the datacenters.

SteveB and walkman make good points about there being no one set of Google.com results, as the results you see can come from a different datacenters every time you go to Google and do a search. To see which datacenter you are currently receiving results from do a search and hover your pointer over the cache link. This will show you the datacenter number in the status bar.

As for the update, Google engineers should be sitting down sometime today to look at good/bad experiences of the current results submitted by Webmasterworld members. After this data is analysed I would expect further tweaks to correct anything that stands out. Data may be re-introduced over days, weeks or even longer.

I know this is easy to say, but if you cannot find your site easily at the moment then just hang in there as you are not the only webmaster out there with the same problem.

cleanup




msg:753108
 8:58 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"To see which datacenter you are currently receiving results from do a search and hover your pointer over the cache link."

Thanks, had not noticed that.

Must be dificult for the Google engineers at the moment, they have opened the sandbox floodgates and now they are having to deal with the result.

I think it will be a while before we see this stabablise completely, the SERPS seem to be peppered with sub-standard results. I imagine they are now having to modify filters on the fly to cope.


BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:753109
 9:17 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Must be dificult for the Google engineers at the moment, they have opened the sandbox floodgates and now they are having to deal with the result.

Floodgates? Not as far as I can see.

cleanup




msg:753110
 9:23 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am taking it as read that this update has seen lots of site out of the sandbox. I myself am not affected since my sites are all ancient..

It certainly seems to fit with the picture I am seeing, a great many new sites I have never seen before in my area.

and then there is the quality of those new sites..

We'll see, but I don't think Google could be pleased with the way this update has panned out so far, thats why I have confidence they are still working on it.

guddu




msg:753111
 9:28 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

[ To see which datacenter you are currently receiving results from do a search and hover your pointer over the cache link ]

If you check for the datacenter this way, and you ping www.google.com in <Run> of your machine to check the IP, you get two different addresses.

I am getting 216.239.57.104 and 64.233.187.104 respectively. Which one is correct?

Just few minutes after....

Now both are same 64.233.187.104. Is it that ping command shows you new changing IP even before it refelects on SERPS?

xcomm




msg:753112
 11:17 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

BeeDeeDubbleU and cleanup,

Yeap
they have opened the sandbox floodgates...

My site was restarted from an free provider last March on its own domain. It was already sandboxed and ranking lower in the SERPs but mostly in the top 500.

Since this update I'm getting more Google referers. As stated this is mostly for sites not in my top rankings so far. And it is also for my main page.

So they must have opened the gates a little bit in some way!

Kangol




msg:753113
 11:54 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I went to sleep last night thinking that the DCs SEPRs will propagate. This morning I am seeing 3 different SEPR. Two I do not like and one its fair. Of course that the one I like is on less DCs then last night.
How are you standing? Any changes for your keywords?

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:753114
 12:07 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

So they must have opened the gates a little bit in some way!

One site? Floodgates?

I think that it is more likely that your site was never in the sandbox and that Allegra was good to you :)

derekwong28




msg:753115
 12:26 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can see that the temperature of this thread is rising. Although obviously some have benefitted from this update. I really cannot see what it there to gloat about when you have sites that are more than one year old, totally html, and have done nothing wrong except to exchange links with equivalent sites, being completely destroyed in the update like this.

It may be our turn today but it could be yours tommorow. Nothing is permanent on the Internet and this includes all our incomes.

george123




msg:753116
 12:26 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

who sayes they are not having problems ,i have tree brand new sites (just coming soon no title nothing not yet any links) all 3 of them have PR5!
from other domains!if i check the back lings one is about Linux the other is about a music forum page and the other a page from China(i dont know what's about).(i can't give you my urls by the way because i want to keep that PR without to work LOL)

george123




msg:753117
 12:35 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

i strongly believe they have open Pandoras box.Lets see how they will close it ,or they have to use the old algo again or that here there and every where of DC's will not stop soon until they fix the problem with back links and PR...goin a bet?.

walkman




msg:753118
 2:15 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

More datacenters have the data where I do well today. This has to one of the weirdest things.

vabtz




msg:753119
 3:19 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

interesting

this morning I see all the scrapers in my niche have been nuked!

oh sweet revenge :-)

The spammy sites in the top serps in my field are keyword generation sites. Where there is a db that makes every combination of keywords possible and makes links to autogenrated pages consisting of more keywords.

Kangol




msg:753120
 3:38 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Walkman,
On what DCs are doing well?

walkman




msg:753121
 4:29 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Kangol,
on the ones with #13 (searched for a secondary term and I have been tracking it since Allegra started)
[216.239.37.104...] 13
[216.239.37.105...] 13
[216.239.37.106...] 13
[216.239.37.107...] 13
[216.239.37.147...] 13
[216.239.37.99...] 13
[216.239.39.104...] 13
[216.239.39.106...] 13
[216.239.39.107...] 13
[216.239.39.99...] 13
[216.239.53.104...] 13
[216.239.53.106...] 13
[216.239.53.107...] 13
[216.239.53.99...] 13
[216.239.57.104...] 0
[216.239.57.105...] 0
[216.239.57.106...] 0
[216.239.57.107...] 0
[216.239.57.147...] 0
[216.239.57.98...] 0
[216.239.57.99...] 0
[216.239.59.104...] 0
[216.239.59.105...] 0
[216.239.59.106...] 0
[216.239.59.107...] 0
[216.239.59.147...] 0
[216.239.59.99...] 0
[216.239.63.104...] 0
[64.233.161.105...] 13
[64.233.161.107...] 0
[64.233.161.147...] 0
[64.233.161.99...] 0
[64.233.167.104...] 0
[64.233.167.99...] 0
[64.233.171.104...] 13
[64.233.171.105...] 13
[64.233.171.107...] 13
[64.233.171.147...] 13
[64.233.171.99...] 13
[64.233.183.104...] 0
[64.233.183.107...] 0
[64.233.183.99...] 0
[66.102.11.104...] 0
[66.102.11.106...] 0
[66.102.11.107...] 0
[66.102.11.99...] 0
[66.102.7.104...] 13
[66.102.7.105...] 13
[66.102.7.106...] 13
[66.102.7.107...] 13
[66.102.7.147...] 13
[66.102.7.99...] 13
[66.102.9.104...] 0
[66.102.9.107...] 0
[66.102.9.99...] 0

Kangol




msg:753122
 4:37 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Same thing here,
My site rank well in the ones with #13
I guess that our sites are dealing with the same thing. I wish I would have an explication for this.

Dayo_UK




msg:753123
 4:40 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site ranks better on those datacentres too.... not where I would like it too - but better than the last few days.

Go60Guy




msg:753124
 4:41 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just checked, and it ain't over.

mfishy




msg:753125
 4:48 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site rank well in the ones with #13
I guess that our sites are dealing with the same thing. I wish I would have an explication for this

Looks like the DC's with the #13 have not had a part of the new algo/filter applied. In supporters thre is a thread listing the DC's people are seeing for google.com and none of those are listed. So, in other words Google may not be feeding the public those results at all.

I suppose they could decide to go with that set of SERPS but it seems unlikely given the fact that GG is already soliciting spam reports for the new results.

asans




msg:753126
 4:51 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, I've read all the hundred pages of this thread and I think that you all are too busy complaining about your actual worse situation on Google.
But you all do a big mistake: you think that because this update is bad for you then it's objective bad at all.

I'm very happy with this update. I don't think it's 'perfect' of course. Surely many loosed rank without a real reason. But surely it's not bad at all as you want to believe.

It means that everything it's subjective.
I repeat: I'm happy with it and I'm convinced that it will be a good update and Google will resolve with it some problems.

Let's Try to change my mind...

diddlydazz




msg:753127
 5:02 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

<<- In supporters thre is a thread listing the DC's people are seeing for google.com and none of those are listed ->>

[216.239.37.99...]

Canada - Texas - London - California - Alabama - New Zealand - Australia

dazz

walkman




msg:753128
 5:08 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I'm happy with it"
Oh, OK then. As long as you're happy. We'll just shut up now.

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