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Update Allegra Part 2 Update 2-2-2005
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msg:752948
 11:51 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

complain about a real problem

Can't see the sandbox being a "real" problem, or a problem at all. It's there to stop the SPAM. If I start a new company called Mesothelioma Lawyers Ltd you reckon I should show up in the top 500 purely because that's my company name?

Sure, the "sandbox", whatever it is, hurts some. It hurts people who are creating sites for free traffic. Many of them are spammers/freeloaders. It also hurts others. They - particularly anyone starting a new business with a business plan that relies on free SE traffic - are probably better off staying unemployed (or employed if they can find a job). Any new site starting off on the premise that free traffic will sustain it deserves to fail.

So, if you remove the sandbox as a reasonable cause for complaint, and remove most of the other whining, we'd reduce this thread to one page and those that can't even be bothered to read it will get a personal reply from Googleguy because he owes them.

 

dvduval




msg:753548
 3:44 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

The Allegra update may not be over, but this thread seems to be about over...yes?

One new feature I am seeing is pages that were previously white in the toolbar are now gray. I'm especially talking about pages on established sites that are new. Previously such new pages were PR0 but white.

xrtza




msg:753549
 7:06 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interesting observation. Maybe a toolbar PR update in progress?

np2003




msg:753550
 8:09 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe Google updates are just all part of survival of the fittest evolution theory, if you're down on this update, don't blame Google, blame your SEO skills which are lacking/not up to date.

Jalinder




msg:753551
 8:16 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

SERP for
site:www.webmasterworld.com google news archive
shows only 3 of the 816 pages at top; while SERP for
site:www.webmasterworld.com google news archive Now an archive
shows much more archive pages at top, although not all as expected. Before allegra it used to display all pages in sequence.

lego_maniac




msg:753552
 9:23 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

"The Allegra update is not over yet. IMHO"

walkman:
it is for me. I don't rank anywhere no matter keywords what I use (short of using a sentence). Before I was on a few DCs, now I'm not. Technically I'm still in the index since all the pages are indexed.
I have triggered someething. It could be the pages I deleted months ago via Google's remove service resulting in a dupe penalty. Maybe they're still valid on their end, just don't show up for the users.

For people who's sites have dropped off the map, I'm curious when your lastest cache on Google is?
Google is refreshing my site in its cache almost daily, but looking at some cached pages using various levels of search complexity, the results seem to be disjointed. Its as if using a 2-word search comes from a newer index than using a 5-word search.

I discovered this because I was using the search operator:

info:mywebsite.com

The result that came up was different than using:

cache:mywebsite.com

My website layout has a datestamp in the top header so the date Google snapshotted it always shows up in the summary text. The two sets of results show different dates in the summary texts.

Huh, that's funny. Where's the "info:" results coming from and why are they so much older than "cache:"?

Strange days indeed...

Essex_boy




msg:753553
 10:13 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

blame your SEO skills which are lacking/not up to date. - Hpw can that be when teh goalpost move every three months?

ncgimaker




msg:753554
 11:13 am on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Search "blue widget" in Google.co.uk with UK only search.

Top entry is "Brand blue widget", but its not the actual Brand site which isn't shown in the results at all, nowhere.

Try the same in Teoma (not even UK only it pulls the correct site up).

Yahoo-worldwide, bizar brings up paypal as the top entry, followed by correct Brand blue widget.

Yahoo-uk-only brings up the correct Brand site as the top entry.

Seems to be another Allegra glitch.

[edited by: ciml at 5:09 pm (utc) on Feb. 20, 2005]
[edit reason] Widgetised [/edit]

surfgatinho




msg:753555
 12:01 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe Google updates are just all part of survival of the fittest evolution theory, if you're down on this update, don't blame Google, blame your SEO skills which are lacking/not up to date.

Why, is your site doing well now or something. If you have been doing this for long enough you will realise it is a roller-coaster ride.

I have sites that now rank top 5 for all my keywords (since Allegra). For the best part of a year they were no where to be found, firmly in the sandbox for no good reason. I didn't change anything and now the site appears to be the authoratative resource according to Google. This is not because of new SEO practices.

Before you make patronising/niaive comments get your facts straight.

Jon_King




msg:753556
 12:02 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>Its as if using a 2-word search comes from a newer index than using a 5-word search.

Interesting observation. Any thoughts on this folks?

Brett_Tabke




msg:753557
 12:37 pm on Feb 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

It has been a couple of weeks since the update and a few thousand messages latter it is time to move on.

btw, to answer an oft asked question:

In Will Smiths new movie Hitch, one of the main characters is named "Allegra". She gets "Googled" while a screen shot of Google is in the frame...imagine that ;-)

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