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Can't find mycompanyname.com in search for mycompanyname
Comments from others experiencing this problem
bnhall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 6:34 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi - I wanted to make a single thread to discuss the recent issue of mycompanyname not appearing in SERPs for searches on mycompanyname.

In my case mycompanyname is a single word, which I invented. The only references to it online are links to my site. For the last couple years, when I search for mycompanyname, I was always #1, and then all the folks who link to me are refenced below.

Since Allegra, mycompanyname.com is not in the SERPs at all for a search on mycompanyname. I also don't appear in searches on directory.google.com, although you can SEE mycompanyname.com listed in the directory! What on earth!

Some facts:
- My PR recently went from 6 to 3 as of Allegra.
- for the last month I had a 301 redirect on / to route it to /cityname/
- if I search: mycompanyname site:mycompanyname.com I get a couple hundred hits, which is right
- if I search: allinurl:mycompanyname I see something really weird: first SERP is someone that links to me, 2nd SERP is blank (yes, blank - there's a 1 inch space!), then I get a couple more SERPs, then my /cityname page appears

Something is really weird here....

Comments anyone else?

 

walkman



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 8:51 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is a huge thread of people with the same problem as yours (homepages not ranking) [webmasterworld.com...]

"My PR recently went from 6 to 3 as of Allegra.
did you lose a lot of links, or it went down on "its own"? It could be a manual (very rare) demotion

[edited by: walkman at 9:42 pm (utc) on Feb. 8, 2005]

bnhall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 9:06 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I wanted to start a seperate thread on just this one topic, rather than have this issue inside the 700+ message thread.

Re your question, my suspicion is yes, but how would I know?

tictoc

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 7:59 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah my company/website name does not come up or is drowned way below sites that have my name listed. I guess google will not help the people searching for my website's name.

Lets all hope this update is not over.

Chico_Loco

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 8:08 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Lets all hope this update is not over

I'm pretty sure that it's over, or at least done enough to draw conclusions.

We need to focus on what this might be, so let's first figure out the common parameters.

My site dissappeared on Feb 2nd, had 9k pages or so indexed with 1700+ backlinks.

It now has 9k+ pages indexed with site, reports 1000 links or so with link: - but it doesn't rank for mycompanyname either, which it has been doing fine for over 1 year. In fact, Google didn't even have our brand name at all in the beginning. If you typed in the name it would say "did you mean.." Now if you type it in, it corrects you to the right version, however that's useless because my sites doesn't rank for ir. Alexa'a "Related Info" information page is the 1st thing listed - that's just wrong.

Marshall Clark

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 5:04 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Having the same problem here - a made up company name is no longer showing in rankings. Name appears prominently in inbound links but not in many internal links. Name has zero value as a keyword (ie: not SuperWidgetBuy2000.com)

skippy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 5:21 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah I got the same problem. A question for you all. Do you see redirects when you do an allinurl search? I think that is a big part of the problem.

MissusC

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 6:23 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, I have the same problem but odd thing is, my site disappeared in mid December, then reappeared Feb 2 and traffic like mad, then started to dwindle again and now name not found when you search for it but lots of spammy sites that link to me come before my site can ever be found in search. Sites such "www.amiatamedia.it" which has the url of my domain in its url and redirects to my site. Can this type of site be causing me a problem? I am not too savvy with all this search engine stuff but am here because of the freakish things happening to my google traffic.

steveb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member steveb us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 6:39 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Do you see redirects when you do an allinurl search"

Always.

bears5122

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 6:50 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone think that this may not be a problem? It just may mean that Google isn't a really good search engine anymore. It's as if they out-thought themselves with some of their stuff and have screwed up some of the simple rankings.

Whoa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 12:44 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have the exact same problem: unique domain name that used to be #1 for a search on x (if the site were x.com). Now, it's #15 with all sorts of junk above it. The junk mentions or links to x.com.

As to whether this is a permanent indication that Google quality is deteriorating, I highly doubt it. Stuff like this can kill a brand, and these are very smart engineers. I am keeping the faith that they will fix it before too long (one month?).

robster124

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 12:53 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think that this is obviously related to the update that's going on with the plenty of missing sites problem

twebdonny



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 1:15 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ours is MIA as well. Write G, Write GGuy, see what happs. Maybe if enough people write about this another update will run sooner rather than later.

george123

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 1:20 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

don't need to duplicate my messages go to
[webmasterworld.com...]
msg #:169
msg #:170

sem4u

WebmasterWorld Senior Member sem4u us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 2:03 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK this is what I have for allinurl:domain.com

A couple of directory listings with redirected URLs:

e.g. www.example.com/visit.asp?URL=http://www.mydomain.com&RecordNo=99

Also, I have www.domain.com/ and www.domain.com/default.asp (homepage) listed.

Maybe something has been set up on the server incorrectly? They should look at the same file, default.asp

skippy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 3:39 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Do you see redirects when you do an allinurl search"
Always.

LOL Sorry Steveb little tired here. I should have explained more. With the allinurl search on the affected domain a couple of redirects show before my domain which is new. Also when I click omitted results my domain returns to the top and I donít see any redirects until about 400 or about half ways. The allinurl seems broken to me so at this point I am just assuming it is part of the update.

I am also seeing movement on searches my unique name. Number 1 is now on multiple DCs that have made it out to google.com is a Japanese forum. When I see this site as number one I am also seeing a return of placement for a few keywords.

trader

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 4:01 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

The same thing happens to me on more than 1 website when searching for my url with the domain ext mycompanyname.com (within quotes), also without using the domain extension, i.e. mycompanyname (can happen both without or with spaces).

Whereas sometimes a site who only links to me was amazigly ranked ahead of me. Also, where a site who illegally copied a small part of my content ranked in front too.

Blame it on stupid programming by the SE's I guess to allow that to happen.

march83

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 4:18 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

The same has happened to one of my sites. Also sites that I have found to have stolen my content now rank higher than me with the pages that have stolen content. Needless to say the site also now ranks nowhere for keywords it used to be top on.

There are only about 6-7 outbound links on the site which to go to relevant "big company" site. I have never optimised it for SEs in any way, all the content is there to be of interest to the user.

I have sent all the information to Google but dont expect it to do any good. What have I done wrong, open to all suggestions.

steveb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member steveb us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 6:33 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

skippy I meant that all the "lost" domains I've checked out the past seveal days have redirects apparently hijacking them. It's a widespread problem that has more or less been around for awhile, but seems to be much worse now.

Whoa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 9:37 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, I finally mentioned the Google MIA for no good reason phenomenon to my wife today and she said that she'd had trouble finding four companies via Google earlier in the week when she typed in their names. She said she couldn't believe that the companies were so stupid that they couldn't figure out how to come up to the top of the list on even their own company names.

So, essentially, it's adding insult to injury. Not only do you not show up in the SERPs for your own unique company name, but people also think you are stupid for not showing up. Great.

Has anyone figured anything out? I'm not hard core like some of you but I would love to know what happened and why my site (see my profile) has gone to Google Outer Siberia.

One thing I notice when I search on the company name (i.e. x.com minus the .com) is that there are a zillion sites linking to me. Most of them are search engine scraping spam sites and then there's one evil site www.excite.co.jp that stole our entire site.

My new theory is that it's the scumscrapers (is there an official name for these loathsome sites?) out there who have tanked my legitimate site - all those links to my site probably set off alarms at Google. But we had nothing to do with it.

If anybody wants to help me figure out what happened, the site that got (unjustly) detonated is in my profile. Thanks for any help.

Marshall Clark

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 11:30 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know of a major site that is no longer listed when you search for their name?

Whoa - were any of the sites that your wife mentioned names that we would recognize?

skippy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 2:25 am on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah I have been doing the same thing but I see no pattern. Even with redirects I have it is the same thing some effected some not. Very odd.

iProgram

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 3:25 am on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is it possible a "hijack" problem? When search mycompanyname, www.mycompany.net.1du.net is on page 2 of serp, www.mycompany.net is gone. (www.mycompany.com is in #1 of serp, defferent site than .net, btw) I report this to g, they copy & paste some hello and thank you words but the next few days www.mycompany.net is back from page 999 to page 3. www.mycompany.net.1du.net is gone .
www.mycompany.net - PR6 in toolbar, PR7 in G Dir. Irony!

Chico_Loco

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 3:28 am on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ditto on the scumscrapers though... I've got a few doing something likw that to me...

I'm not going to do anything about it... unless I can prove it inflicted a revenue loss upon my company, in which case it will move off the web and into the courts.

If I find that scumscrapers are the sole reason that my ranking droped (and can prove it, almost impossible!), then that should be enough to constitute significant compensation - no?

Shurik

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 4:32 am on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site started to loose ranking on my company name back in mid December.
I watched how it slowly deteriorate to the 5th place then 11th then 29th Ö
At that time I had only one 302 redirect to my site that was no longer active.

I wrote as polite an email to google as I could, explaining how my customers
can no longer find my web site using my companyís name. Google was kind enough to reply
suggesting that if I want better ranking I should sing up for AdWords

Chico_Loco

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 6:43 am on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google was kind enough to reply suggesting that if I want better ranking I should sing up for AdWords

Ha ha ha - I hope you replied and told them where to go.

If a company were not even capable of matching companyname.com with a search for "companyname" (where it's a unique term), then can you really trust their abailties in matching your ads successfully - with your money in their hands?

No.

Whoa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 1:32 pm on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, I officially give up on trying to figure this out. I know:

- my site (now #14 on its own unique name) is a great site for users with awesome content enjoyed by millions

- we've done absolutely nothing wrong in terms of optimization

- the engineers at Google are smart and can figure this out

- Google is motivated to fix problems like this - it has to maintain legitimacy in the market and not lose share to MSN and Yahoo

- I am wasting entirely too much time thinking about what I did wrong or can do to fix it, when in fact it likely has more to do with scumscrapers, hijackers and other external factors.

- The opportunity costs of even thinking about this issue far outweight any positive outcomes that come from thinking about it.

So, adios, my friends. I wish you all the best and hope your sites get back in -- if they deserve it!

To the folks at Google, never settle for mediocrity. Right now, it appears you've done that. I'm counting on you to prove that you can do better.

Cheers!

GodLikeLotus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 2:20 pm on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Same thing here, loads of mainly DMOZ clones showing up for the first few pages for "our own name" We are 35ish in the results, Google has taken both the 4th and 5th slot in the SERPS with exactly the same directory page with the exception of the forward slash / .

When I do the allinurl:mydomain.com

I am getting the page below showing up with a full desciption of my homepage, it is however now Supplemental.

site.com/modules.php?name=Web_ Links&l_op=visit&lid=1151

Is this a problem?

Starting to really like Yahoo.

[edited by: GodLikeLotus at 2:25 pm (utc) on Feb. 11, 2005]

twebdonny



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 2:25 pm on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

My comment for today:

This just gets weirder and weirder...

idoc

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27924 posted 3:14 pm on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

"wasting entirely too much time thinking about what I did wrong or can do to fix it"

Exactly, If an engine can't find a uniquely named company website when searching by that unique name... it's broken. Especially if other engines have no problem finding it then it's not a webmaster issue at all and there is nothing to do or fix.

Joe Surfer is not the sharpest sometimes... I will agree to that. But he will eventually learn to go somewhere else to find what he is looking for... eventually. Unless everyone buys adwords for their own name... in which case Joe Surfer won't know the difference to start with. ;)

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