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Pushed Out of Google as of This Morning - Why?
richone




msg:732161
 3:29 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have 5 sites altogether and all have been 1st and 2nd page for their keywords until today.

now 3 of my sites have dropped out of the index altogether and the remainding two are still where they were and I can't understand why. All were on separate IP addresses and we didn't excessively interlink each of the sites. All have relevant content to each other but there's no duplication.

We always working within the boundaries that google set out and now this - this is going to be catastrophic if we are penalised.

The sites in question are

<snip>

I've emailed google and am waiting for a response. It's also strange that we have a landing page which is just a link through to all 5 sites <snip> - we haven't done any optimisation for this nor have we included this in our link exchange campaign - this is also out of the index. The sites were cached on 6th Feb and now this - am I a victim of this Allegra update and do you feel it's just a matter of time before it settles.

Many thanks

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 5:07 pm (utc) on Feb. 7, 2005]
[edit reason] Please no specific domains. [webmasterworld.com...] [/edit]

 

bether2




msg:732162
 5:27 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

am I a victim of this Allegra update

What you're saying sounds like what a lot of other folks (including myself) have been experiencing since this recent update (and/or the mid-Dec update). However, most people are saying they've experienced a big drop in their rankings and traffic. If your site can't be found with the "site:" command, then maybe your situation is a little different.

and do you feel it's just a matter of time before it settles.

If you mean weeks, I hope so, but I personally don't think so. If, by "time," you mean several months, then maybe (IMHO). So I'm focusing on the new sites I'm building.

WebFusion




msg:732163
 5:34 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

this is going to be catastrophic if we are penalised.

Why? Is free google traffic your only source of income?

Essex_boy




msg:732164
 6:10 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is free google traffic your only source of income?
- well yeah and why not?

Its a search engine after all built to serve surfers like us.

richone




msg:732165
 6:40 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

well all I can do it wait until the dust settles - my only hope is that this is a momentary lapse of insanity on googles part and things return quickly. We saw a huge rise in traffic from google these past two months and it's a large source for us.

As for being penalised I can only pray this hasn't happened - I have a feeling that we haven't been only because if I punch in our name without using the site command, the site comes up.

cheers for your help

ncw164x




msg:732166
 6:48 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its a search engine after all built to serve surfers like us.

Well why dont you give them an invoice for all the "free traffic" they have sent you over the years then...

FYI there are 10's of 1,000's of sites been knocked flying or gone missing with this latest update and until the dust settles down there is not a lot any of us can do only wait

WebFusion




msg:732167
 7:52 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

- well yeah and why not?

You're kidding, right? Seems pretty obvious to me. IF you're making statements like:

this is going to be catastrophic if we are penalised.

THAT'S WHY NOT.

Its a search engine after all built to serve surfers like us.

Yep...built to serve surfers NOT webmasters. Repeat after me:

GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE ME A LIVING...GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE ME A LIVING...GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE ME A LIVING...

DerekH




msg:732168
 7:57 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebFusion wrote
Repeat after me:

GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE ME A LIVING...

OK,
GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE WEBFUSION A LIVING....

Can't see it's going to help though <smile>
DerekH

walkman




msg:732169
 8:01 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

"pushed out of google as of this morning - why?"

I wish people would answer or try to answer his question. He is not asking how to diversify his traffic.

cleanup




msg:732170
 8:11 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sounds to me like he has diversified (up to a point) and thats is why he still has TWO sites up there instead of 0.

After all was that not the reason he put five mirrors up in the first place.

SoleDrag




msg:732171
 8:20 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

"He is not asking how to diversify his traffic"

Well, I am. ;-)

WebFusion - I see that answer all the time. Is there a thread I can look at the shows how we can get away from depending on free traffic so much? I'd love too, I just don't know how. Any help would be appreciated.

richone




msg:732172
 8:51 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

[ After all was that not the reason he put five mirrors up in the first place. ]

Each of these sites has genuine and different content but are just based on the same proposition - I don't think this classifies as a mirror sites.

I also think that everyone replies on a large chunk of business from google as they own such a large market share.

We do rely on traffic from Google and now one stream has dissapeared; this is a going to affect us and many sites out there. However, the whole point is not what else I'm doing for alternative traffic - I was assuming this is a forum for google news, therefore I'm writing about google. It's baffling to know why a certain site is effected and others aren't and what are the criteria Google chooses to exempt some and not others. Is there an answer to this and if yes, can we do anything about it apart from sit and wait.

ncw164x




msg:732173
 9:01 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

This update has covered a broad spectrum of sites, what seemed at first to be aimed at large sites is not the case its also hit a lot of smaller sites.

One site I have had never had any visitors from google until last Thursday, the day of the update...go figure that one?

WebFusion




msg:732174
 9:58 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see that answer all the time. Is there a thread I can look at the shows how we can get away from depending on free traffic so much? I'd love too, I just don't know how. Any help would be appreciated.

There are several thread on optimizing/building a site to maximize traffic from ALL engines.

An older article written by Brett (which was initally intended as a guide to maximize google traffic, but which I think applies to all engines these days) is

[webmasterworld.com...]

Having said that...here's what I've been doing over the past 30 months or so that has given me both a great deal of non-google traffic, AND the peace of mind of knowing I can live without any one engine's traffic.

1. Outsource content creation:

Use Wordtracker to develop a keyword/phrase list of a few thousand key phrases. From there, go to eLance (unless you would rather do it yourself) and hire a ghostwriter or two to write you some 400-500 word articles based on those keyphrases. INsist that the articles actually be that -ARTICLES. Make it clear that you want info that would actually be valuable to a human, not just gibberish for the search engines. You want to make sure that no matter what, a human reiewer would not see "doorway" page when they look at the targeted content, just a well-optimized article.

Using that method, I add roughly 200 pages per month to our main ecommerce site.

2. Get as many targeted link exchanges as you can.

Notice I said "targeted". Don't link to every gambling, drug or affiliate site that comes knocking. Link only to sites that complement your niche. You'l get less links, but your site will have more staying power. Case in point" My biggest competitor was linking to every Tom, dick, & Harry in the book (he had about 3000 links from every kind of site imaginable). With this update -his site go bye-bye.

3. Use good basic HTML structure (H1 tags, bold, etc.). Avoid all the lousy advice you'll read about "Don't use H1 tags....Don't use ALT text", etc. Use them, but use them properly (i.e. no keyword stuffing, etc.)

Couple the above with some good research on how to utilize PPC to augment you traffic (Note" If the only way you can trun a profit is with free traffic - it's your business that's the problem, not the search engines. You have to KNOW how much each visitor is worth in monetary terms, etc.).

In addition, research sites in your niche (by using the same keywords you are targeting) via google/Yahoo/Msn and see if any of the non-commercial sites in that area offer paid advertising. This can be a great source of cheap traffic (we have a couple of sites we advertise on that turn a profit of $22 for every $1 we spend a month).

Also look into distributing some articles (search for article distribution serices) for some addditional traffic/one-way links. we recently published a series of article that were picked up by over a dozen newspapapers/websites, which resulted in an extra 15,000 or so visitors last month. The 4 articles in question only cost us $300 for a ghost writer to write.

That;s just a few ideas. There are tons more out there...

The key is, avoid the tunnel vision that so many here have of simply doing everything they can to rank well in google and focus instead on making your site the "authority" on it's subject matter. Do that, and the engines will follow.

fclark




msg:732175
 6:00 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

WF, gotta say... after all your
YAWN
ing posts, that was very iformative.
artdog




msg:732176
 5:42 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

"we have a landing page which is just a link through to all 5 sites"

Personally I'd get rid of this.

WebFusion




msg:732177
 7:51 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

WF, gotta say... after all your YAWN

ing posts, that was very iformative.

Sorry....sometimes my moron-o-meter overloads my tolerance circuits ;-)

DerekH




msg:732178
 10:08 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Webfusion - you're so right - but don't turn off your spelling-mistake intolerance toggle either... If you quote something, fire on all cylinders...

Come to think of it...
I wonder how many webmasters get annoyed that they do badly for keywords when actually it's a typo on their web-page?
DerekH

fclark




msg:732179
 5:42 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

hmmm, I edited it right after posting and it came back today misspelled.

nzmatt




msg:732180
 5:55 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE ME A LIVING...GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE ME A LIVING...GOOGLE DOES NOT OWE ME A LIVING...

No, but I seem to (unwillingly) owe Google a living through adwords.

BTW, WF it doesn’t matter how diversified your traffic sources are, when the BIG G shuts you out you are going to hurt.

I don't understand how you can't concede this simple point!

dickbaker




msg:732181
 7:48 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

No, Google does not owe me a living. Neither does Bill Gates.

When I heard the first rumors of the Sandbox, I tried to enroll in the Adwords program. I was refused, because my site gives subscribing stores an outlet to promote the types and brands of guns, archery equipment, knives, and other sporting goods that are still popular and legal in the US.

Please note that my site does not sell anything, including firearms; it's just an avenue for retail stores to promote the brands and services they provide.

Imagine my surprise when I was refused because my site dealt with "inappropriate subject matter."

Well, if I do a search for "firearms," I see a whole bunch of ads, including some from the "usual suspects," most of whom don't even touch firearms.

I even see an Adwords ad for a popular firearms monthly magazine. The magazine does just what my site does: provide information on new models, and provide retailers with advertising space.

I don't care if Google wants to ban any reference to guns. But to give larger-budget advertisers a little more free reign while saying "no" to me smacks of a double standard.

Again, it's their company, and they can do what they want. In the meantime, though, I'm going to explore every other alternative to Google that I can.

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