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Multiple keywords in title now punished?
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jason77




msg:730434
 2:34 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does google now punish/penalize multiple keywords in the title?

I put the keyword in 3 or 4 times in the title and had a good ranking.

for a week now i am not on the first page anymore but page 64.

I removed the keywords from the title now except fro one....no repetitions. Hope this will do the trick.

What do you think?

 

DerekH




msg:730435
 7:59 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

What do I think?
I think it's a bit late to ask us after you've changed the page, but
I think, as a result, you are admirably placed to feed back to us what happens when the page is revisited...
Please do!
DerekH

SEOPTI




msg:730436
 10:05 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

You got back into the sandbox

WebFusion




msg:730437
 11:34 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you use spammy techniques, you shouldn;t be surprised to get penalized.

jason77




msg:730438
 1:01 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

It wasnt any spamming...just the title repeated the keywords 3 times. It always worked though.....

At least this might be the reason why my traffic dropped.
I never did anything else and google might have done that now in order to get rid of link farms.

my traffic dropped from 1500/day to 200/day and now 80/day within the last 4 days

jason77




msg:730439
 1:20 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

my page rank is still 4

suggy




msg:730440
 2:41 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Come on Jason, isn't it just a tiny bit spammy? I mean, what justification is there for a title with the same words repeated several times in it? How does it help the visitor?

walkman




msg:730441
 2:55 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

it could be but it's also easy to blame x or y because of lost rankings. Plenty of white hat sites dropped too

bell




msg:730442
 3:36 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

No i know why i am kicked on 16th page from page 1 :-((

rfgdxm1




msg:730443
 4:07 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Come on Jason, isn't it just a tiny bit spammy? I mean, what justification is there for a title with the same words repeated several times in it? How does it help the visitor?

To me, the same keyword multiple times in the title is more likely a sign of a clueless, amateur webmaster than a spammer. I've always assumed from a SEO perspective that the ideal title would be a string of all different, relevant keywords. (Although, this will tend to discourage humans from clicking on the link.) If I were programming a search engine, I'd just give no extra algo benefit beyond one use of a keyword in the title. Actually penalizing for such would cause to much collateral damage to amateur sites. (High KWD on page is the same way. I've seen LOTS of amateur sites with hideous KWDs on the page simply because the webmaster was lousy at writing text for humans to read.) I'd be surprised that Google has ever in recent memory given an algo boost for multiple use of a single KW in a title. Precisely because it doesn't help the vistor.

jason77




msg:730444
 5:42 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

To me spamming is to wrongly direct visitors to a website.
Such as linkfarms that link to insurances, cars, mortgages and everything all at once.

I try to target a specific group of visitors and they are all happy when they find the website and the sign-up ratio (it is all for free btw!) is really high.

spamming means being on the top search results no matter what people are looking for and try to make money with them....so this is not spamming,

the keywords in the title served the purpose of being above the spammer or at least so that the site has a chance to eb found.

jason77




msg:730445
 5:45 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

p.s.: it does (did!) make a differenc whether you have
keyword a b repeated 3 times or 3 related terms.

if you know exaclty which terms it is and you know the precise word order, you could target on the precise match...even the word order counted! (reverse to the entered one)

HughMungus




msg:730446
 5:46 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jason, give us a generic example of one of your page titles with mulitple keywords (e.g., "This page is about widgets and this site is a great place to get widgets so if you like widgets check out this page."). I'm curious.

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