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Anyone Make It Out of the Sandbox With Allegra?
hdpt00




msg:741405
 12:53 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

The question is simple. All of my sites are still stuck in it. Seems that way for everyone in the niches I'm in.

If you don't believe in the sanbox there are other threads to argue about that, keep it out of this one please.

 

gmiller




msg:741406
 11:03 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm in the process of merging some related sites under a new (8 months old) domain name. The new domain popped out of the sandbox for a day or so and then went back in. The old url for one site whose content has been moved over has finally disappeared, but the sandbox is keeping its replacement from appearing. With the "-asdf" bit, it shows up #2 plus an indent for its target keyphrase.

I don't seem to have lost a lot of uniques, but pageviews per unique have dropped off quite a bit. Visitors on that keyphrase have always tended to stick around for a number of pageviews.

Imaster




msg:741407
 11:13 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I read in a couple of forums about people mentioning their sites are out of sandbox. One guy had his site out of sandbox for a couple of hours only to get it boxed again.

As for my sites, they are still in the sandbox. One of them has been what I call double-sandboxed, by which I mean its gone further down the serps and the pageviews have gone down by nearly 50%.

mahoogle




msg:741408
 6:21 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Apparently Google just started allowing greater than ten word queries - there was another thread on this...

If you try a ten word query that uses your keywords from your "sandboxed" site they are showing up. I have a few thoughts on this pieced together from several other posts.

1. Google's primary index is full, so they are excluding new sites for "money words" and putting them in to a second index. This creates room for socially good sites to still have a chance to rank. The second/different index has new features, like the ability to search for phrases greater than ten words. Several people reported - including me - seeing a flash were their sites appeared prominently - hopefully this is a test of their new system that will go live soon. The second index is inclusive of the old and new.

2. I've read other posts on this that google is caching results due to the computing expense for algos like hilltop. This seems logical since Google is so cost conscious. The cached results are based on the pre ten word limit index and so until you make it to the current index you will not show up. They use this as their primary index with filters/link suppression/OOP that keeps people from getting in until enough time passes, links go hog wild, or they stop drinking on the job..I have no idea what actually gets you in.

3. My site is the only site that actually uses these ten words and so it is the best result.

Regardless, there isn't much anyone can do to get out of the SB on their own.

jdhuk




msg:741409
 7:03 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

hopefully this is a test of their new system that will go live soon.

With the Allegra update and different ways sites are being ranked, maybe we are in for a major shake up this year.

Relief would be an understatement to say the least for thousands of webmasters alike.(Well those sandboxed anyway)

internetheaven




msg:741410
 9:16 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Updates tend not to bring people out of the "sandbox" - it tends to happen mid-update. Wild fluctuations always occur during an update due to the extensive calculations and resettings that take place over several days. I took nearly two weeks for the index to normalise after the last update.

steveb




msg:741411
 9:32 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Zilch change here in terms of all the sandbox sites I watch.

Localizer




msg:741412
 9:40 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I launched 5 websites last year, most of them late 2005 and Januar 2005.

All of them were indexed within a period of 2 weeks.

Localizer




msg:741413
 9:42 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sorry for the typo.

"late 2005" is offcourse "late 2004"

conroy




msg:741414
 9:59 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

No one has had a problem getting a site indexed. It is ranking that is the problem.

RoySpencer




msg:741415
 10:19 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

nope, still stuck here.

Imaster




msg:741416
 11:14 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just wrote this in the main Allegra update post at [webmasterworld.com...] .

i am writing this here as well since it fits.

http://216.239.57.105/ . Both my huge new websites are completely out of sandbox there and they rank super high for competitive terms. Thats how it looks until now. God know about tommorrow.

robster124




msg:741417
 11:18 pm on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

No change here

hdpt00




msg:741418
 12:36 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was in the sandbox round the 100's and now I'm even further back to where I started, in the 300 and 400s.

This is awesome.

nutsandbolts




msg:741419
 12:41 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

IMaster: 216.239.57.105

Wowsers! My 1 year old sandbox site is there! Sure, it's on page 2, but it's a start. Lovely.

dvduval




msg:741420
 12:41 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am not in the top 1000 after 11 months, but #1 on MSN and #43 on Yahoo. I have lots of sites that are less competitive that are ranking fine in less than 6 months. I'm not even thinking "google" anymore. I just pretend they don't exist. That seems to be what they wanted.

dvduval




msg:741421
 1:10 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a basic information site that is getting more traffic from Ask Jeeves than google that is still in the sandbox. The site has nothing to do with "money keywords". It is just an information site about a hobby of mine.

2oddSox




msg:741422
 1:12 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

As with Imaster and Nutsandbolts, I'm also seeing very good rankings on that particular datacentre for a site launched Feb 2004. Up until now the site has been well and truly buried in the sand.

Powdork




msg:741423
 1:32 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

While I have been making minimal progress lately in the serps with obscure keywords on 216.239.57.105 I have taken a major step backwards. However, on that datacenter my established site (which fell to #2 on all the other dcs) still ranks #1.

Powdork




msg:741424
 1:37 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Imaster,
How old are your two sites that made it out?

navneet




msg:741425
 1:56 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)


[216.239.57.105...] . Both my huge new websites are completely out of sandbox there and they rank super high for competitive terms. Thats how it looks until now. God know about tommorrow.

Its exactlly same for me on 216.239.57.105 i am completely out of sandbox, hope this propagates to all sites, keeping my fingers crossed

mahoogle




msg:741426
 2:15 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a site that I relaunched in August 2004 for real estate that has a few results showing through.

The site was previously a bed and breakfast site launched in Nov 2003.

dvduval




msg:741427
 3:24 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I found 1 site that was released Feb 2004 also that is out of the sandbox (less than 1 million results). Any post March 2004 sites out of the sandbox?

And of the sites that you are reporting as being out of the sandbox, how many results for your key phrase?

BillyS




msg:741428
 3:36 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Still burried with a site launched in June 2004. At least it is starting to rank well in Yahoo and MSN. (I get more traffic from Ask and Overture (yes, Overture) than Google.

Oh well, if they want to store 600 pages of information and not send any traffic, it is their problem.

The sandbox has caused me to start to use Yahoo more for searches (I was extremely loyal to Google at one time.) I have to say, their results are pretty good!

Atomic




msg:741429
 4:12 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I had two sites pop out at the same time. Two days later they are still out and doing great.

McMohan




msg:741430
 5:53 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.57.105 is the one, if it sticks. For the first time I am seeing breast cancer foundation.... ranking where it should be.

Mc

Beachboy




msg:741431
 6:20 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would like to report I know someone whose site has been sandboxed for over a year and it is now showing excellent positioning, finally. The positioning is not consistent from search to search, apparently Google is still rolling out the update.

flatware




msg:741432
 7:14 am on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I doult the following points"

"Google's primary index is full, so they are excluding new sites for "money words" and putting them in to a second index. "

I have a site built 2002, they are ranked well #1 during 2002-10 -- 2004-06, after that days, it's keywords drop down to 4 page.

I searched it with -dfstgf * 13, it comes back #1.

The other question is the result is different between {http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=zh-CN} and {http://www.google.com/search?hl=en}, my option is all "search all"

in theory, the first search range which include Chinese should be wider than the second, but their rank is better than the second.

I can't understand it.

Abdelrhman Fahmy




msg:741433
 12:37 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

END of SANDBOX

was checking my Google Ranking today for a 8 months old commercial site which was always at page 10 to 20 and surprised to found it ranked at the top 10 for most of my targeted (competitive) Keywords.

I hope that you're all have the same,

- First Sandbox Survivor ;)

Imaster




msg:741434
 12:58 pm on Feb 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Imaster,
How old are your two sites that made it out?

Powdork, Both sites launched in May, 2004.

And its nice to hear that many members finally have their sites out of sandbox for the moment.

Right now, my sites are out of sandbox even at www.google.com main domain. :):):):):)

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