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Anyone Make It Out of the Sandbox With Allegra?

Msg#: 27848 posted 12:53 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

The question is simple. All of my sites are still stuck in it. Seems that way for everyone in the niches I'm in.

If you don't believe in the sanbox there are other threads to argue about that, keep it out of this one please.



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Msg#: 27848 posted 12:20 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

So all the thousands of recent (approx 6 months old) sites that have been set free into the SERPS have nothing to do with time? They all had filter penalties did they?

That's what I think, yes.
It could be anything, but I think it is mostly about linking:

Pace of linking - how many links your site got in some period of time
Linking networks - do you link mostly from your other sites in the same (IP) network
OBL - be carefull to WHOM you link
Linking networks II - do you link from your other sites based on whois info; note that Google became a domain name registrar with no intention of selling registrations
etc., etc


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Msg#: 27848 posted 12:37 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

You could be right but for the following

1 site launched in semi competitive arena as per earlier post timeframes traffic etc.
1 site launched same time completely non competitive arena same time G referrals have been consistent from 3 weeks after launch till now

Linking for both sites was from same or similar sources
no funny linking strategy on iether domain
PS I never specifically use keywords during linking campaigns just try to describe site or site name
The only difference is keywords from site 1 would be $1.00 plus keywords from site 2 would cost nothing

So there is some kind of filter re: competitive websites
I don't know how it is done or why but it is in place
Webmasters have just chosen to use the word sandbox because of it's similarity to getting out of sand when playing golf

just my jaundiced view of the world


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Msg#: 27848 posted 12:50 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

To be in top 5 in Adwords my keyword range from is from $2-$9.

I have never felt so discusted giving a company money - but if I want (Google's) traffic on the internet I have no choice.


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Msg#: 27848 posted 1:22 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Let's think about this.

Who introduce new sites to the web the most? SEO consultants and web designers acting on behalf on clients and the general Joe Bloggs creating so called Mom and Pop sites? Yeah?

What would you do if you were in the shoes of these two types of people if you launched your site, and for some reason didnt get any SE traffic at all for the first X months? (i.e. Sandbox effect)

You would advertise... There are no two ways about it. Whether you'd advertise for 48 hours, realise that it's losing you money or advertise for 6 months when it's making you money - you'd advertise.

Keep things simple here - Google wants to make money - barring new websites from their SERPs is the simplest thing they could do.

After all its much more likely that older more established sites will have much more diversified sources of traffic and (free) advertising - therefore making it less likely that they'll forkout on ads. New sites will spend more on ads...


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