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Anyone Make It Out of the Sandbox With Allegra?
hdpt00




msg:741405
 12:53 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

The question is simple. All of my sites are still stuck in it. Seems that way for everyone in the niches I'm in.

If you don't believe in the sanbox there are other threads to argue about that, keep it out of this one please.

 

hughie




msg:741495
 11:27 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I hope they are not tempoary changes, will have to see how the dust settles.

2by4




msg:741496
 10:30 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I appologize to all believers if I hurt their feelings."

You would have had to have said something with some value to have done that. As it is all I see is a post with zero logic, zero argument, plus a fairly ignorant statement. Wow. That's really impressive. Must have taken you a long time to develop this train of thought. Do you take students, I'm interested in working with you...

OptiRex




msg:741497
 10:47 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

2by4

activeco has not made an ignorant statement, each of us has our own point of view and no one, absolutely no one has ever proven the sandbox theory/myth therefore he is entitled to state:

The Sandbox as imagined by someone and spread by masses lacking anything else, clearly does not exist.

We've all tried to get to the bottom of it and no one has, and it amazes me that something which has supposedly been going on for so long that surely an ex-Google employee would have spilled the beans before now?

activeco




msg:741498
 10:48 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

You would have had to have said something with some value ...a post with zero logic, zero argument, plus a fairly ignorant statement... Must have taken you a long time... Do you take students, I'm interested in working with you...

Before I start talking about YOU, I would like anyone, to give me or anyone else, a proof of that rubbish which basicaly states that google have (ever had) a time bomb for any new page/site.

Provide something in this line: "Since I put my site online, it immediately went to the Sandbox. I have never touched it in any way or did anything about its linking campaign and finally my patience has been paid off; after xx time I am ranking as expected for this competitive term and it is going to stay that way for at least few weeks."

Powdork




msg:741499
 11:06 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

activeco,
maybe you should reread the original post.

steveb




msg:741500
 11:10 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

<delete... ditto Powdork>

2by4




msg:741501
 11:13 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

"The Sandbox as imagined by someone and spread by masses lacking anything else, clearly does not exist."

Is this supposed to mean something? Give me a break here, at least make a tiny effort to say something intelligent. I know it's hard, but give it a try, even if it makes your head hurt.

The above quote is so fundamentally vapid, it doesn't even get to the level of the debate that's gone on, which is interesting, and has had many interesting, and often very well thought out, points and counterpoints, optirex's included.

This however is just typing some words on a page without the benefit of any thought. If this person has an interesting argument, point of view, or whatever, they left them off the page.

[edited by: 2by4 at 11:15 pm (utc) on Feb. 9, 2005]

activeco




msg:741502
 11:14 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Powdork, you are basically right.
I should have stayed out of this topic with my remark as thread starter requested.
However I found "Anyone Make It Out of the Sandbox With Allegra" question, exclusive and non-denying statement which puts Sandbox theory a fact beyond doubt.
IMO on that basis any constructive reply would be impossible to make.

2by4




msg:741503
 11:19 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

and yes, allegra did overnight release at least two sites, actually 3 from something I just checked, from various traps they had fallen into, one of them the sandbox.

I'm suspecting that alegra is in fact the real fix we've all been waiting for, which of course means that a lot of sites that were floating on the old site boost are going to feel some pain. Too early to say much yet, things may change.

I have really not doubted that google would implement this fix, what surprised me is how long it has taken them to do so, that's what was starting to concern me.

nzmatt




msg:741504
 11:23 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, but why do some pop out of the BOX and some remain?

2by4




msg:741505
 11:26 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I haven't had much time to follow this latest stuff, just took a quick look at some sites I do, skimmed through threads.

My first impression was that primary index is now bigger, and now includes at least some of the pages that had been excluded before this update. Which accounts for some of what we're seeing, sites dropping, sites coming out of sandbox. But maybe they decided to keep the secondary index too, it's hard to say this early.

If this is the case I'd like to congratulate google on finally getting this issue resolved.

[edited by: 2by4 at 11:29 pm (utc) on Feb. 9, 2005]

activeco




msg:741506
 11:29 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

<snip>

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 5:53 am (utc) on Mar. 3, 2005]
[edit reason] inappropriate remarks for webmasterworld - please reread the tos before posting again [/edit]

nzmatt




msg:741507
 11:30 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

2by4, mysite (launched July) is first page for dozens of 2m+ money terms when I serach with allin' and 16x, but knowhere in normal SERPS (even after Allegra).

I would love to know what this means - is the site waiting in rank and file to be let out in the next update?

2by4




msg:741508
 11:33 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

activeco, I'm still waiting to read a single word that has any particularly noticeable amount of thought behind it, how long are you going to make us wait here? As anyone can see from your childish writing style, that amount of time may be fairly long. 'farting'... that's about the dumbest thing I've ever read anyone post in these forums, you're setting new lows every time you put your hands on the keyboard, nice going.

Keep talking, that way everyone can see what a fool you are.

I know I've said in other threads that I really value what almost all posters have to contribute, whether or not I agree with it, but in your case I'll make an exception to that, since you seem dead set on being as openly ignorant as possible.

nzmatt, sorry, I won't waste more time on that guy, once he's established that he's dead set on being the lowest poster, I'll have to just give him that honor.

Re your question, it's just too early to tell, all we can do is watch what other people observe, watch your own sites, maybe it will start getting more obvious. I've seen some very interesting changes, stuff released from a kind of a quasi but not quite penalty state for example.

One question I guess is if your keywords are still where they were pre alegra, and if not, what the change was.

[edited by: 2by4 at 11:39 pm (utc) on Feb. 9, 2005]

nzmatt




msg:741509
 11:36 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Altough I don't want to push this, for the sake of an argument, let me repeat one simple thing regarding the Sandbox:
(note that I don't deny some filter(s) going around)
It is obvious that Google releases SERP from time to time without the filter, until it finishes a new computation of - something.
With time bomb it wouldn't be necessary, time would be part of the algo without delay.

What? What are you saying about the sandbox? Does anyone know?

nzmatt




msg:741510
 11:39 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

mysite (launched July) is first page for dozens of 2m+ money terms when I serach with allin' and 16x, but knowhere in normal SERPS (even after Allegra).
I would love to know what this means - is the site waiting in rank and file to be let out in the next update?

Can you answer this farty, I mean activeco?

activeco




msg:741511
 11:40 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

activeco, I'm still waiting to read a single word that has any particularly noticeable amount of thought behind it, how long are you going to make us wait here?

I thought you have a problem in social relationships only, but you being unable to read is a bit surprising.

2by4




msg:741512
 11:43 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

act.. I know you think that you have something to say, and it's completely possible that you do in fact have something to say, but you are not saying it. Believing you have said something is not the same thing as having successfully communicated something. Using words like 'farting' makes you look like a total idiot.

Go back and reread your words, you'll find that your construction and syntax is basically totally incoherent, which is fine, we're not all english as native language speakers here, but most tend to do a lot better than you're doing. Expecting someone to try to decipher this to grasp your intended meaning, I don't know, why?

Try working on your technique a little bit, if you want to communicate ideas. Practice at home, whatever.

Jon_King




msg:741513
 11:47 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>It is obvious that Google releases SERP from time to time without the filter, until it finishes a new computation of - something.

No offence meant but this is some pretty high tech stuff talk goin' on in these hear formuns.

nzmatt




msg:741514
 11:51 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

mysite (launched July) is first page for dozens of 2m+ money terms when I serach with allin' and 16x, but knowhere in normal SERPS (even after Allegra).
I would love to know what this means - is the site waiting in rank and file to be let out in the next update?

If Farty can't answer this can anyone else here?

Can any of the "sandbox doesn't exist' people please help me understand?

diddlydazz




msg:741515
 11:52 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

<removed after a bit more thought>

[edited by: diddlydazz at 11:56 pm (utc) on Feb. 9, 2005]

2by4




msg:741516
 11:53 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

"No offence meant but this is some pretty high tech stuff talk goin' on in these hear formuns. "

Y'all got that right, I'll be headed off to th' hills over yonder to take a look at bessie who just calved, don't know much 'bout this comlicated stuff neither...

"dont you have a family pet that you could ask to get your points across for you"

Good advice. What I'm curious about is what exactly this poster sees right before clicking the 'submit' button. I think this is maybe the worst I've seen here, hard to say. Usually people with not very good english sort of know that, and say, well, my english isn't great, which is fine, then go on to make decent points, so this isn't a matter of bad english I think.

Jon_King




msg:741517
 11:57 pm on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>mysite (launched July) is first page for dozens of 2m+ money terms when I serach with allin' and 16x, but knowhere in normal SERPS (even after Allegra). I would love to know what this means - is the site waiting in rank and file to be let out in the next update?

This means that allin' and 16x have little to do with anything pertaining to rank.

nzmatt




msg:741518
 12:02 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Jon_King....

What about future rank? What about algos'? What about penalties? What about Sandbox? What about Adwords/Adsense revenue?

Does it have anything to do with these?

activeco




msg:741519
 12:03 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Can any of the "sandbox doesn't exist' people please help me understand?

It will be difficult, but if you try hard maybe you could understand this:

There are some new filters introduced by Google.
Noone of them proved the existence of time delay before releasing a new site into the regular SERPs, which makes the very basic (among the other stuff) of the Sandbox theory.
Any conclusions?

nzmatt




msg:741520
 12:06 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

So all the thousands of recent (approx 6 months old) sites that have been set free into the SERPS have nothing to do with time? They all had filter penalties did they?

Jon_King




msg:741521
 12:13 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>What about future rank? What about algos'? What about penalties? What about Sandbox? What about Adwords/Adsense revenue?

No. The correct site is always at the top, thats the way to look at it as a algo buster.

[edited by: Jon_King at 12:17 am (utc) on Feb. 10, 2005]

nzmatt




msg:741522
 12:15 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

What is it then?

steve40




msg:741523
 12:16 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am not sure if it should be called sandbox / filter for new sites / algo re: backlinks age.
My own experience has been the following with 1 of my new sites launched september last year

I have provided much more information than most webmasters should or do but thought it may be helpfull to bring the discussion back on track

<b>Early Sept </b>
launched website ( 70 pages )in semi competitive area ( PPC cost about $1.00 -- $3.00 arena )
<b>Mid September</b>
New sites fully spidered and in serps 2 week after launch and hit the top of targetted keywords for couple of days ( roar from the crowd ) "what is this sandbox everybody talks about" after wonderfull 2 days little if any referrals from G
Average referrals from G over 3 month period 35 per day
Still being spidered and in database till
<b> Mid December </b>
Notice increase in referralls from G , no major keywords but what i will call mild peripheral keywords not having
high ppc value
Average referrals from G 120 per day ( not high paying keywords but at least keywords of some type )
<b> Late December / Early January</b>
Further increase of referrals from G still no major keywords but increase to about 180 per day from G
<b> Current update Early February</b>
Further increase of referrals from G 340 per day Major keywords starting to appear very slightly and strengthening of minor keywords

I am afraid i do not monitor serps but primarilly look in site stats for my data so even now not sure what page of serps keywords from site would appear

Just my 2 cents worth from my little window on the world
steve

nzmatt




msg:741524
 12:19 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Steve40, my experience is almost identical.

activeco




msg:741525
 12:20 am on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

So all the thousands of recent (approx 6 months old) sites that have been set free into the SERPS have nothing to do with time? They all had filter penalties did they?

That's what I think, yes.
It could be anything, but I think it is mostly about linking:

Pace of linking - how many links your site got in some period of time
Linking networks - do you link mostly from your other sites in the same (IP) network
OBL - be carefull to WHOM you link
Linking networks II - do you link from your other sites based on whois info; note that Google became a domain name registrar with no intention of selling registrations
etc., etc

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