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Update Allegra - Google Update 2-2-2005
illusionist




msg:768548
 1:34 pm on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site which came back on december 26 update, seems to have disappeared again on this data center [216.239.53.99...] . Its notwhere to be found even in allinanchor, allintitle etc? I see majot change on that data center, is this a new update?

 

vabtz




msg:769238
 2:23 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm still bouncing around like crazy in the serps...

Block19Row13




msg:769239
 2:23 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

i dont wish to sound smug, but i have benefitted, ive never had so many good results.

but, then again ive never worked harder to achieve them.

does this mean when the dust settles and every pi**ed off person here gets there results back, mine go for a burton?

by the way, Walkman, im actually listening to a band right this minute called the Walkman! Freaky

ncgimaker




msg:769240
 2:29 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

- Around 5,000 pages in total

Similar

- ASP based

Not similar

- Uses ID= tag in ASP string

No, we hand edit the titles & page names, some match the keyphrase, most are slightly different, all pages are affected.

- Has some redirects from old .htm pages to new .asp pags

Not similar.

- Cascading javascript menus

Single layer menu, pages outside the menu structure also affected.

- mini-site map for navigation in the footer

Some pages with, some pages heirarchical, some flat, all equally affected.

- changed rightnav.asp (global change for the site) just when Allegra started updating

We changed only a link and background to match season.

- Used to get about 2,000 Google visitors per day, now get about 25 a day.
- I found a duplicate site at www.excite.co.jp

Nothing special.

- I have a Commission Junction affiliate ad in the left nav on every page.

None

- Adsense on every page (Adsense $ dropped considerably post Allegra)

Some pages

dfre




msg:769241
 2:31 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

SERPS are still not stable for me either. Maybe this is the new strategy. Make the SERPS completely random and unpredictable, then they will be harder to optimize for. ;)

Jalinder




msg:769242
 2:35 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

- Around 5,000 pages in total
similar ... 5,000+

- Cascading javascript menus
Not similar. we have plain text links.

- mini-site map for navigation in the footer
similar

- Adsense on every page (Adsense $ dropped considerably post Allegra)
similar

vabtz




msg:769243
 2:36 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

This data center has what I recently saw and what I expect [216.239.39.104...]

this [216.239.37.99...] is showing some terrible stuff ( for me )

The interesting thing ( to me ) is that both have updated the pages with my recent deep crawl on the 6th and 7th and I am seeing my new pages on both.

Are there any conclusions to be drawn from that?

Is it safe to say that the update is an algo change only not a change in the data being used?

WebFusion




msg:769244
 2:41 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am a black hut SEO and I am happy to say that because that's the way I can survive financially against the big fish.

...and will the next spammer please stand up.

YAWN.

I love it when people make statements like "the only way to compete is to cheat".

metrostang




msg:769245
 2:42 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Vabtz,

The two datacenters you mention are showing serps in my area as they existed before this update started. If those are where it settles out, this update has been for nothing. I hope that's not the case, Google referrals are up 45% yesterday.

brixton




msg:769246
 3:04 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google does not improove the picture of USA instead it makes it worst

europeforvisitors




msg:769247
 3:17 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

i just had a call from my son ,he told me that in his college they have change the default search engine from google to MSN.co.uk.does that tell you something?

Maybe the college's IT manager is moonlighting with a string of scraper sites that got nuked by Google? :-)

WebFusion




msg:769248
 3:21 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google does not improove the picture of USA instead it makes it worst

Let's not take a problem your having with your website and make it into an insult to the U.S.

....or have I missed the high-traffic competing search engine based in any other country?

theBear




msg:769249
 3:21 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebFusion,

What? You mean you don't send out any of those drug related solicitations I get in my email every time I get my new messages.

I tell you I'm shocked, totally shocked ;).

I see things are still churning at the data centers, time to work on more html file size reductions and other stuff.

Analysis of index update, filter tweaks, and algo changes if any will prove interesting. I tried to track a couple of pages yesterday but I couldn't get a solid picture.

Macro




msg:769250
 3:23 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe the college's IT manager is moonlighting with a string of scraper sites that got nuked by Google?

LOL

[edited by: Macro at 4:16 pm (utc) on Feb. 8, 2005]

soapystar




msg:769251
 3:32 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

just had a call from my son ,he told me that in his college they have change the default search engine from google to MSN.co.uk.does that tell you something?

no. If you gave us a specific reason it might help.

walkman




msg:769252
 4:39 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

my website still shows up where it should on the DCs you mentioned. This is the data of Feb 2nd or so, before the second update (all within Allegra). Google updated it once and then changed it again. Looks like they have to figure something to merge them and not leave any index pages out.

============
"This data center has what I recently saw and what I expect [216.239.39.104...]
this [216.239.37.99...] is showing some terrible stuff ( for me )
The interesting thing ( to me ) is that both have updated the pages with my recent deep crawl on the 6th and 7th and I am seeing my new pages on both.
Are there any conclusions to be drawn from that?
Is it safe to say that the update is an algo change only not a change in the data being used? "

soquinn




msg:769253
 4:48 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmmm… if anything, it’s very clear that diversification is the key and will certainly warrant more discussion. Some sites I monitor have fluxed for the first time others have not been effected but have been effected in the past. Google, unfortunately, has had the power, market share and naturally our attention as we all try to benefit from their reach. I expect we’ll see more of these issues whether it’s on purpose or just glitches as time goes on and it will not be limited to Google. We all need to think about how best to create, advertise and grow our respective businesses… online diversification will be reinvented.

<notSEdependant> Maybe we’ll call it “SED” (Search Engine Diversification) or “SOS” (Search Operability Strategy) someone can start SearchEngineDiversificationWorld dotcom (Brett?) </notSEdependant>

Ultimately, I’d like to see more competition in the search game; after all, the economics of search (millions of websites/businesses distributed to the world through a few major players) has spawned enormous advertising dollars driving some webmasters to corner traffic for advertising and not for end users. At the end of the day it’s all about traffic = money!

An interesting model would be “PPB” (Pay Per Bot) you get a one-year express inclusion in our robots.txt to spider all our pages for only $299(recurring annually in subsequent years to update your SERP’s.) to hard for webmasters to manage? No problem, hosts and ISP's can be the intermediaries and do a revenue share. :-)

vabtz




msg:769254
 4:53 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well for myself I get 38 % of my traffic from google 33% from yahoo and 16% from msn so I am doing fine as far as thats concerned.

phantombookman




msg:769255
 4:54 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

The condemnation for MSN.co.uk is because only UK-hosted sites appear in the SERPS

All my sites are .com and hosted in the USA yet they appear in msn.co.uk serps, granted not quite as high in the serps as .com but they are there?

robster124




msg:769256
 5:09 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

my website still shows up where it should on the DCs you mentioned. This is the data of Feb 2nd or so, before the second update (all within Allegra). Google updated it once and then changed it again. Looks like they have to figure something to merge them and not leave any index pages out.

-------------------

I hope you've got this right Walkman. If they do merge the 2 indices, Google will actually have things bang on track.

wanderingmind




msg:769257
 5:54 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's been 3 days of ups and downs dancing across datacenters. Isn't it time it settled down?

I love Brixton. He is admittedly black hat, gets hit by Google, and cries foul.

Would Hannibal Lecter ask for forgiveness from PETA?

Would Darth Vader ask for justice from the libertarian party?

Freedom




msg:769258
 5:55 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't forget the adorable anti-USA jab he took.

bnhall




msg:769259
 5:55 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

On either DC I still have the problem where a search for mycompanyname (a made up word) still doesn't show my site in the SERPs.

My site has been in the top of SERPs for most of my major terms for years, and has ALWAYS been #1 for mycompanyname.

Perhaps the answer is lost in the 24 pages of content - but does anyone have ideas what happened with the update to kill searches for mycompanyname? I see a lot of people mentioning this problem

trader




msg:769260
 6:19 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

by Walkman...First they let the 302 redirect issue unsolved for months

Walkman, please explain what you mean by that.

I have several high traffic sites where G refuses to count the traffic because it comes from redirets using htaccess. i.e. 1700/vists/day but less than 100 ad impressions are counted, according to my url channels.

An explanation would be appreciated regarding redirects, I am not even sure what a 302 redirect is, does that mean traffic going to a non-existant webpage, which is my main issue?

P.S. G does not explain why my impressions are not counted other than canned mechanical replies which are non-relevant or not applicable.

[edited by: trader at 6:22 pm (utc) on Feb. 8, 2005]

diddlydazz




msg:769261
 6:19 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

ltedesco

I dont think Googleguy will make any comments until the update is settled.

dazz

steveb




msg:769262
 6:45 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

On 216.239.39.104 I'm seeing meta description shown for sites with one, and ransom notes for those without. Wish that would stick.

angiolo




msg:769263
 7:02 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Monitoring several sites, I got this impressions:

- The title in DMOZ is important
- The links in Dmoz and other BIG directories are important
- The age of the links is important
- The natural increase of link is important

Several sites increased the visitors despite the fact that they had a lower rankings in the targeted keywords.

donb01




msg:769264
 7:17 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I need to ask about redirects too. I am using AWSTATS, and one of the things I always notice is a number of 302 redirects show up in the statistics.

I have never known where they are from, because I have never done anything to redirect a page - it's either there or deleted.

BUT, I saw a comment in an earlier post that may just have shed some light on it and I want to know if anyone can answer my question... I am using a custom 404 page so that if anyone comes to my site from an outdated search engine link or a direct bookmark to a deleted page they are still held within my site and not given some generic error message. Is THAT where the redirects are coming from? If that is the case, could I consider that value to be the number of times someone is trying to access pages that no longer exist?

BTW, trying to stay on topic, I have my google filter set to show me English pages only, so I know what I get is not my true position in the serps, but I went from averaging about #38, then down in the 80's for several weeks, and then last night I was up to #24. However, I have not yet seen any increase in traffic from Google - it is still a trickle.

xcomm




msg:769265
 7:18 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

And if they have problems with there (sic) capacity servers (sic) how come they're devoting processing power to updating the directory?

I hope it helps to improve the SERPs a little bit over this running update as there are some little signs of this, but...

They should simply spent more of their money to the SE as core business instead as open a new shop along the way every week.

They are looking short in crawling for over a half year now at least for me. MSN is leading before them with Yahoo. Also Ask seems to have not to low capacity.

It looks as Big G is devoting to much of their computing power to Adwords/sense last time (This 'SERPs' were described here as better some times).

I'd drop Adsense for my site to give G some resources for the SE back. :-) Believe it or not this month they crawling my site earlier and more...

In terms of computing G has to do some real engagement (invest money!) into breaking the 32Bit barrier. This could not be such an issue for a technology company.

walkman




msg:769266
 7:22 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I need to ask about redirects too."

the problem I was reffering to is detailed here: [webmasterworld.com...] (close to 400 messages :))

ezrydr




msg:769267
 7:38 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

- The age of the links is important

I think Google has been factoring in the age of links for nearly a year now. It is why, IMO, new sites have been sandboxed since early last year - their links aren't "counted" until they are aged a certain amount of time. It would explain why sandboxed sites are indexed and can rank well for obsure terms (the links are recognized and followed, sites are indexed yet don't need the power of links to rank for the obsure terms) but why they don't rank for competitive terms (the power of links isn't applied because they are too "new").

The occasional exception would probably be explained by links from white listed sites, in which case those links would be applied immediately.

G did this to counter buying links (no bang for your buck) and it negates the short-term, large-scale link exchange campaigns meant to influence SERPs.

Jalinder




msg:769268
 7:44 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

In this update google is making 302 redirects to "Object Moved". That's a big improvement.

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