| 8:38 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I really hope these results don't stick. Another 2 sites sandboxed now... None out.
| 9:19 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Anyone notice a period of 'frantic' crawling by google?
Mid January I remember wondering where the hell google had got to - my pages in the cache weren't refreshed in weeks. End of last week / weekend the cache of some pages updated daily.
That seems to have settled again.
Anyone else experience this?
| 9:38 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
All 83 pages of my 'missing' site have been crawled every day for the past couple of days. Fresh dates show the 7th February.
| 9:44 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
OK, our strategy for dealing with this. Can anyone suggest anything else.
* Adwords against company name and variants.
* We've bought variants of our domain name. We normally avoid this to avoid duplicate content penalties but that isn't important at this point.
We still have good sales, but they're from people typing in our company name, so I want to make sure we catch as many strays as possible.
* More PPC adverts outside of Google. Its not to penalise Google, but if they search our name they get our competitors and not us, and I don't want to drive them to our competitors.
* Focus on offline sales. We've always sold much better offline than online so thats where our ad spend should be.
| 9:55 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
ive been following this thread over the past couple of days.
over the past couple of months i have worked very hard on our company website, writing good content adding pages improving the file size of pages etc.
over the weekend our search results went through the roof, we have never had better.
but from reading this forum, im starting to think that its not going to last long.
are my google results due to hard work or an update from G?
dazed, confused and worried that this is a short term thing.
| 10:08 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
no one seems to reply to this post of mine :( >>
Larry & Sergey,
Hope this reaches you. I am a well-wisher of Google & was a fan....uptil now.
my website is online since 1999. for last 5 years, we have been on first page first site for our primary keywords.
But, now with this recent algo change of urs, we are nowhere.
This is simply NOT LOGICAL! I categorically state that, we have not spammed or used any technique which is called as black-hat.
In your race in rolling out new products, you have forgotten what your core competancy & responsibility is.
If this is the way you are gonna give importance to the quality of your algo, then I forsee Google going the Alta Vista way. I know many people have already said this before, but I just HAD to say this.
| 10:10 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Like everyone, I've been trying to make sense of the latest update - some of my sites have gained, others lost out.
Today though one of our sites has disappeared entirely from the search rankings, although it is still indexed. PR4, two years old, no dodgy SEO whatsoever. Yesterday and previously it ranked number one (not difficult as you'll soon see!).
Okay, so other sites have suffered the same, but this site is a little different as it is dedicated to a litttle used slang word - with that word being the domain name too. If you search Google for this word less than 600 results are returned so you can see how little it is used. No other site is dedicated to this word - they just mention it.
I've checked every result of the 600 and this site isn't there. And yet it shows up if you search for www.WIDGET.com.
For me this tells me that no matter how much head scratching I do I won't find the answers to why Google does this or does that. Or why some sites rank well and others don't.
There is no big picture, just countless little ones.
| 10:11 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
maybe your attitude to duplicate content is where you need to focus?
| 10:16 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
(Larry and Sergei replied in message number 544.)
| 10:29 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
LOL @ SoapyStar! great humor there....is it..it takes one to know one...!:)
| 10:37 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
hmm, just searched for on a whim.
only one result in page one mentions GOOGLE. must be a new algorithm in play here.
| 10:42 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
BeeDeeDubbleU lol for 544 :-)
Following the tread there seems a pattern that domains matching a keyword seem have to be lost / cracked down.
Also some middle old sites seem to have been penalized or sandboxed.
Maybe an Adwords extension program for older sites :-)
G$ seems to give the madman as usual.
| 11:37 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
i just had a call from my son ,he told me that in his college they have change the default search engine from google to MSN.co.uk.does that tell you something?
| 11:40 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yes, it tells me that you son and his mates are now only seeing about 10% of the web (uk hosted sites only).
Bet their homework marks don't improve much!
| 11:42 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|i just had a call from my son ,he told me that in his college they have change the default search engine from google to MSN.co.uk.does that tell you something? |
Considering how unbelievably bad the results on msn.co.uk are, it tells me something about the person who is charge of IT at that college.
MSN.com I could understand, have you seen the results from .co.uk?
| 12:50 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The results from msn.co.uk are superb.
At least they are relevent to the search terms unlike Google which currently brings back a pile of directory sites and ZERO content sites full of links, Oh and a bias towards the sites they first started to spider.
You could say that the college Head knows exactly what hes doing!
Maybe after this current update google will improve, currently i see little sign of it!
| 1:16 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I find the MSN results to be good on both .com and .co.uk. I cannot undestand where this condemnation is coming from. Perhaps those who's directories and scraper sites have been dropped? ;)
| 1:21 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The condemnation for MSN.co.uk is because only UK-hosted sites appear in the SERPS.
Simple as that!
| 1:26 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"Yes, it tells me that you son and his mates are now only seeing about 10% of the web "
better 10% instead the cr----p google brings now and delayed. delayed) since 2 weeks now ,I don't know if that happens overseas ,but in the UK though broadband connection here ,it takes a life time to download Google search and if you want to go to the second page forget it, instead no problem download any other kind of page.....I bet's you they got problems with there capacity servers.
| 1:30 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"Considering how unbelievably bad the results on msn.co.uk are, it tells me something about the person who is charge of IT at that college."
have you made any academic search on MSN.co.uk lately instead just search for your money keywords on Google?and see how your page ranks.
| 1:32 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
brixton, your campaign against Google, your verbal abuse about them (now removed), your all-in-capitals posts (now removed), and your continued vendetta don't help the discussion. They just mark you out as someone with a grudge who's trying to wage a one man war. What your son's college has done won't even register as a blip at the 'plex. If your suggestion is that it is evidence of a mass movement away from Google you couldn't be more wrong. Have a look at Hitwise data. And if they have problems with there (sic) capacity servers (sic) how come they're devoting processing power to updating the directory? So, do yourself a favour, find another war.
| 1:37 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Macro i just telling the trouth,that's all
| 1:42 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Look Google and Yahoo both tried the "local" and eventually gave it up.
Brixton. whatever, 10%,25% even if it were up to 90% of the web that is offered by the .co.uk version compared to the .com why would that be better?
Remember a huge number of sites that are NOT hosted in the UK just do not appear in msn.co.uk.
Anyway I thought the thread for MSN localization was [webmasterworld.com...]
| 1:44 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
the results seem to have settled. Another brilliant update. To come to my site (many people still type domain.com in SEs instead of the address bar) now people have to click to one of the 200+ websites that links to me, find the link and then click. Very relevant results. Your stock should tripple to $600 so those brainy PHDs become mega-millionaires instead of just millionaires.
GoogleGuy: if I say that I don't plan on using Adwords, will my site get restored to its former glory? Thanks
| 1:55 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
anyway I don't have any vendetta with google or anybody I have over 50 domains some are doing well some are doing bad, there is no update can hurt me because every day my average income is stable IE loosing from there gain from there, and I don't play only with Google,today I just got 2 new 4 years PR5 old domains to replace them with the domains that disappear with that new update(within a week i will be in the place i was). I am a black hut SEO and I am happy to say that because that's the way I can survive financially against the big fish.
| 2:01 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
In terms of identifying why some sites have gone MIA and others have not, I have this to contribute:
I work on six or seven sites.
Only one is experiencing MIA. By MIA, I mean that you search for x when your domain is x.com and x is a unique phrase, and in the results you come up way low, whereas you used to come up #1. Beyond that, you are buried in the SERPs on phrases you used to do well on. You were Top Ten and not you are #89, for example. But not just for a few phrases; you appear to have dropped 50 or so spots for everything. It's as if a penalty is being applied to you, yet you cannot think of anything you've done to earn MIA status.
Here are some attributes of my MIA site:
- Around 5,000 pages in total
- ASP based
- Uses ID= tag in ASP string
- Has some redirects from old .htm pages to new .asp pags
- mini-site map for navigation in the footer
- changed rightnav.asp (global change for the site) just when Allegra started updating
- Used to get about 2,000 Google visitors per day, now get about 25 a day.
- I found a duplicate site at www.excite.co.jp
- I have a Commission Junction affiliate ad in the left nav on every page.
- Adsense on every page (Adsense $ dropped considerably post Allegra)
- Google shows 289 backlinks, Yahoo shows 1270, AlltheWeb shows 1140.
- Never paid for a backlink. All backlinks are legit and 99% are unsolicited.
- Add new content frequently (maybe three or four articles per week)
- Found some sites out there with identical title, description, and keyword tags for the main page.
- Have a glossary of terms on the site
The thing is I don't have a clue why this site would be treated so poorly by this update. Of the things I list above, the only thing that is unique to this site versus my other six or so is that I updated my rightnav.asp just as Allegra was starting. My only theory is that somehow Google saw that all the pages were different, just as it was starting the index and said "I can't treat this site the way I was planning on treating it, because everything has changed. I need to wait, re-spider it, and then add it."
| 2:10 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I guess the dance continues. Last night I had fallen out of all data centers and resigned myself to another few months in the sand. I checked again this morning and I'm back in the data centers I was in yesterday, plus several new ones. This has to be the strangest update of all time...
| 2:15 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"In terms of identifying why some sites have gone MIA and others have not, I have this to contribute:"
It's a Google problem in my opinion. Sites of all kinds have been caught in this. Let's hope they are working on it, but I have lost hope. I know it's bad to lose hope, but G has lost a lot of respect in my eyes. First they let the 302 redirect issue unsolved for months as we got creamed and now this.
Hmmm...I'm back at some DCs. Still hoping ;)
| 2:18 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"G has lost a lot of respect"
| 2:21 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Great news "Google Stock Price"
went to the #3 from the key word (F..G)
| 2:23 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm still bouncing around like crazy in the serps...