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Update Allegra - Google Update 2-2-2005
illusionist




msg:768548
 1:34 pm on Feb 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site which came back on december 26 update, seems to have disappeared again on this data center [216.239.53.99...] . Its notwhere to be found even in allinanchor, allintitle etc? I see majot change on that data center, is this a new update?

 

KrisVal




msg:769118
 9:14 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

<---Isn't this misrepresentation of my brand or something?--->

Legally, I can not imagine that Google is violating any law, but it is absolutely ridiculous. If the Goal of Google is to have a great search experience for the user, shouldn't the user expect to get the "Coca-Cola" website when they search for it.

I sell products and services on this particular site and it is a legal registered trademark with the USPTO. I have a loyal following and I get a lot of searches to my brand name. If Google wants users to have a good experience, they should ensure that the domain people are looking for goes to the top of the query.

Vent -> I am really sick of the power Google holds over webmasters. Everything from design to wasting countless hours on issues like this. I hope MSN kicks their butt in the next couple of years. And I believe they will. They always win!

theBear




msg:769119
 9:26 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

The darn update isn't even done yet and everyone is up in arms.

I wish G would do these offline and then throw the switch

Kangol




msg:769120
 9:41 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

This morning I was out of SEPR. My site was only to be found on about 15 DCs. Now I am only in 216.239.53.104, 66.102.7.104 and 66.102.7.99.
I have the sad feeling that this SEPR are spreading all over. The results are really bad for me, my site is noware to be found even for his name. How relevant are these results?
Im just upset

[edited by: Kangol at 9:45 pm (utc) on Feb. 7, 2005]

mzadorian




msg:769121
 9:44 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey Guys, since Saturday, my web site has been going in and out of google every 20 minutes. Since I believe thursday and friday, I was in there with great ranking. Now when its in, my ranking is awesome, but then all of a sudden, every 20 minutes its completely out. Has this happened to anyone else?

Chico_Loco




msg:769122
 9:59 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

The darn update isn't even done yet and everyone is up in arms

It's done enough for me to know that there are either major complications at Google, or that they had a plan change and the best relavancy is no longer as important.

baron13




msg:769123
 10:10 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone have an idea:

- why google is making these updates always "live" and not in the background and than, when finished, displaying it to the surfers? I think it is not really nice for the normal surfer if they do not find what they are looking for! The results re crazy. In my business we have different categories. For example: blue widgets, hot widgets, no widgets. And normaly if you enter hot widgets in google, the no and the blue widgets are never listed. But now if you enter hot widgets, you can see hot, blue and no widgets on the first site in the serps.

I don't know why it is so difficult for google to make their updates in the background and not to show such bad serps to the surfers....

Armi




msg:769124
 10:12 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have new results on

216.239.37.99

My project was in the Sandbox, after Allegra I jumped with my keywords from 200-500 to 20-50.

Now I have the positions 5-15 on this Datacenter.....

diddlydazz




msg:769125
 10:16 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am seeing better results on 216.239.37.99

looks like the "not finding the url" problem has been eradicated for the urls I am checking

dazz

Bluesplinter




msg:769126
 10:17 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have new results on: 216.239.37.99

Yep, ditto. A search on my company name has been coming up #4 lately, with sites that link TO me coming in ahead of me, but that DC has things in proper order (for me, at least).

androidtech




msg:769127
 10:17 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

baron13,

Probably because there is no way to do a small run that would be representative of the full population, where the "population" is the billions of web pages that Google has. So anything they try in a microcosm (in the background), would have very little chance of scaling up to the real search universe because the keyword statistics of the microcosm population would have very little resemblance to the real search universe.

So instead, they probably run multiple tests in parallel, with different versions of the algorithm on different data centers. Analyze what works best, cross populate it to the other servers, and keep doing this until they get something they "like".

The behavior being seen is very much like that of doing a genetic algorithms run. If you want more info, just punch "genetic algorithms" into Google and start reading.

Wild speculation on my part of course.

Rollo




msg:769128
 10:23 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm out of the sandbox at these DCs...

66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.147
66.102.7.99

Stuck in the sandbox at the rest.

theBear




msg:769129
 10:24 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Someone said:

It's done enough for me to know that there are either major complications at Google, or that they had a plan change and the best relavancy is no longer as important.

Maybe, maybe not.

walkman




msg:769130
 10:27 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

"216.239.37.99?"

nope. Still no luck there. Maybe my site's info is still being tranferred :) from here:
[66.102.7.104...]
[66.102.7.105...]
[66.102.7.147...]
[66.102.7.99...]

[216.239.53.99...]
[216.239.53.104...]

[edited by: walkman at 10:33 pm (utc) on Feb. 7, 2005]

illusionist




msg:769131
 10:31 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.37.99 seems to be the most updated ( more pages) of all the DC's. What's even more cool is that my sites which were wiped out in allegra seem to be back in. Damn, i hope it sticks!

Chico_Loco




msg:769132
 10:37 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.37.99 seems to be the most updated ( more pages) of all the DC's. What's even more cool is that my sites which were wiped out in allegra seem to be back in. Damn, i hope it sticks!

I 2nd that!

olias




msg:769133
 10:42 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.37.99 is certainly an interesting one at the moment. My site that dropped heavily is showing up better than it was before the start of this update there. It is not a simple roll back though as there are other sites in the mix that weren't there pre-allegra.

Newman




msg:769134
 10:44 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> 216.239.37.99 seems to be the most updated ....

Those results are sooooo messed up its unbeleivable!

skippy




msg:769135
 10:44 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.37.99

That one I like got my domain name back for the first time.

walkman




msg:769136
 11:05 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

" [216.239.37.99...] "

is anyone else doing bad (the same as today /yesterday) at this DC? Nothing changed on site of mine, that matters. Seems like the sandbox for a way too old site with plenty of links. All the link pages are ahead of me for "domain-com". I'm throwing in the towel for a day or two. I can't take this anymore.

diddlydazz




msg:769137
 11:10 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

walkman,

the results on that data center are changing every few minutes

this update is far from done by the look of things

(it seems) i myself have been guilty of prejudging this update

give it another shot in 10 mins

dazz

Armi




msg:769138
 11:10 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

No I have new results on this Datacenter and I lost lots of positions (but I think Im still out of the sandbox).....

But

"-sdfsdfq -ddsf -dsfsqdf -dqdfqsdf -dqfsdfqsd -sqdfqsd -sdfsdqfqsdf -sqdfqsdfqs -qsdfqsdf -sdfsqdfqsdf -sqfqsdfqsd -sdfqsdfsq -sdfqsdfsdf -qsdfqsdf"

shows better positions......

illusionist




msg:769139
 11:11 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

[216.239.37.99...] that DC just reverted back to old crap. My sites gone again.

skippy




msg:769140
 11:13 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.37.99

Reverted back. Hope it was a peek at the future.

robster124




msg:769141
 11:14 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Skippy - I concur!

walkman




msg:769142
 11:18 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

"http://216.239.37.99 that DC just reverted back to old crap. My sites gone again. "

Minute by minute coverage: tune in to Webmasterword.com
I know we look pathetic and some here are probably thinking it, but this is our livelyhood. This is similar to having a grocery store and the main road leading to it got flooded. Google is that road to us.

suet




msg:769143
 11:19 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

[216.239.37.99...]

Yay, when I search for my domain.com I'm number 1. Surely this is how it should be?

Come on Google do the right thing, you have had your playtime, now let's get to work.

olias




msg:769144
 11:22 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah I am seeing some further movement there, but partly because the daily update of new cached pages has just taken place as well. Exciting stuff isn't it?!

WebFusion




msg:769145
 11:26 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know we look pathetic and some here are probably thinking it, but this is our livelyhood. This is similar to having a grocery store and the main road leading to it got flooded. Google is that road to us.

My question is...how on earth can you stand to live like that? Having your livelhood resting in the hands of an entity over which you have no control is (IMHO) madness.

I think you people are looking at this the wrong way. As opposed to checking various datacenters every few minutes, why not use that time more wsely to pursue other sources of traffic IN CASE your google traffic does not come back anytime soon. Where will you be a week from now if you've wasted all this time checking and rechecking to see if your site came back? No better off than you are now!

It's like asking a stranger to hold your rope while you rappel off a cliff!

suet




msg:769146
 11:32 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think you people are looking at this the wrong way. As opposed to checking various datacenters every few minutes, why not use that time more wsely to pursue other sources of traffic IN CASE your google traffic does not come back anytime soon. Where will you be a week from now if you've wasted all this time checking and rechecking to see if your site came back? No better off than you are now!

Some of us can multi-task you know!

brixton




msg:769147
 11:44 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105
64.233.171.147
216.239.53.99
216.239.39.99
216.239.37.104
216.239.37.147
216.239.57.99
216.239.37.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.37.105
all are back!

Liane




msg:769148
 11:47 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Watching data centers do their thing is like watching grass grow ... and it looks as though you guys are expecting one humdinger of a crop! ;)

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