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 9:12 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sure the dance has started because my site now has a PR - yesterday it didn't.

Can we assume that google updates PR first, then the results as obviously it takes PR to determine a site's ranking!


[edited by: getvisibleuk at 9:14 am (utc) on Mar. 4, 2003]



 9:14 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Nope... It still hasn't started. May be the people at Google are waiting for a few more false reports before they press the button. :)

Alec Doggone

 9:14 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

No update.


 9:16 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)


[edited by: lazerzubb at 9:31 am (utc) on Mar. 4, 2003]


 9:16 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)



 9:16 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

It`s very easy to see if it has started getvisibleuk. Go to the front page of any non dynamic site. Click backlinks, and then test that url with www2 or www3 and see if number of backlinks change. To my knowledge it hasn`t started. But I`m back at this good site just to tell that I`m dying of inpatience ;) :(


 9:16 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

So how do you class an "update" is it only when the links to yahoo change? Surely that's a bit narrow! Does or does not google take into account pr for ranking and thus to determine ranking it must update PR first?

Are we confusing "update" with "dance"?

Interent Yogi

 9:25 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

ANOTHER FALSE START. We just about need a fine system around here for anone who jumps the gun ........


 9:28 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Perhaps we need a cast-iron definition of what "update start" is! As each individual has different definitions.

So why would my site's PR go up today? Dosn't happen any other time apart from the start of the calculation process.


 9:29 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oh, I don't think jumping the gun is so big a crime ;)

It's all part of the fun of pre-update.



 9:31 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

The update has not started. There are clear definitions in the update faq. Just take a peek in the library and other helpful summaries at top of the Google forum index page - everything you need!


 9:31 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Lots of people have cited PR change over the last couple of weeks so thats not a good definition.

I vote for backlink changes as it seems to be the ONLY definite indicator and has been reliable to date. When the backlinks change the SERPS soon follow so that seems reliable and unambiguous.


 9:31 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

>So how do you class an "update" is it only when the links to yahoo change?

Yes we only class an update or dance starting when the backlinks change.


 9:32 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I got all excited myself when I searched google earlier and saw my site had moved positions, but then did the LINK:www.yahoo.com

and nope, no changes on www compared to www2
Just everflux or pre-update jitters

still waiting.....


 9:34 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)



 9:36 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

fair enough!

Suppose if the time between PR calculation an solid results (as apposed to everflux results) is non determined then backlinks it has to be.

Do you reckon Google purposley has fun with us as I know I would if I had my finger on the button!


 9:38 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Dear Friends,

I do believe Google has started something, cause my new site i cached bij google. Doesn't that mean anything?

waiting for the dance?


 9:45 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Some people think that because the update process is so complicated, even Google don't know when the dance is going to start. I'm not sure if that could be true but if it is GG could perhaps let us know and clear up the whole (messing with our heads/ I have a secret way of predicting the update) conspiricy angle.

p.s I don't think anyone can reliably predict the update - I've checked through the archives and the evidence just isn't there.
I also don't think Google are messing with our heads. Better to wait and not having serious problems i.e good sites disappearing all over the place.


 9:48 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

The reason is that Google is having problems with the toolbar and showing PageRank more about it here.

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/9764.htm [webmasterworld.com]


 10:09 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a feeling that Google's update is not something that instantly occurs. It is more likely something that propagates over the period of a few days or so. Looking at the fact that one of my sites reprocesses about 50,000 items coming in from feeds every night, the propagation process on my site takes about 15 minutes - during which the number of "items" available will change to the user. It's possible that Google runs propagation on www, www2 and www3 at the same time, but that sometimes the programs get out of sync.

I guess I just feel that Google is kinda like Disneyworld - there are a lot of people waiting to get on the ride, only a few people on the ride at this moment, and a growing number of people who have been on the ride. I figure it's quite possible that "Disneyworld" has opened for the month, but the initial updates might be "favored" sites which are used in the calculation of other sites.

Maybe I just don't have a clue what I'm talking about...<grin>

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