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<noscript>
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Oliver

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Msg#: 9746 posted 11:59 pm on Feb 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi guys, Hi girls,

what do you know about <noscript> tag.
One of my competitors is running up, now is 3rd, for my principal kWord. It has 3 of this tag:
1.2. with our kWords and description
(ex. <noscript>apple,lemon,orange</noscript>)
3. and with the link to the links page
(ex. <noscript><p><a href="/links/default.php">Links</a>
</noscript>

What do you think about it?
What do you know about it?

Oliver

 

daroz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 12:05 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hard to tell without looking at the actual site.

If preceeding the noscript tags is a set of javascript commmands that essentially accomplish the same thing then there's no real issue.

If, on the other hand, there isn't, then someone has found an interesting and likely way to fool GoogleBot.

If it's the latter I'd send a note to Google about it, it would be the first I've seen of that.

OneTooMany

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 12:06 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Earlier this month someone wrote that their <no script> tags were no longer being recognized in this fashion.

I had a <no script> for browser support issues and the contents of it actually showed up last month in a lot of my results. Unfortunately, it did not help me in my keyword sector.

I stayed away from it for this update b/c it seemed sort of spammy and appeared to me as something simple for Google to detect and prevent.

Oliver

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 12:11 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi daroz,

do you suggest I have to follow this way?
Cause it has, in only 60 days, runned up to 3rd place
for my principal kWord. I have lost this place for this?

daroz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 12:20 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

OneTooMany: If someone has better evidence of what the GoogleBot does with the tags I'll gladly defer..

I say it is doing something with them because I do use them (legitmately) on 2-3 places on my site for at least internal links and text display. GoogleBot follows those links - at least for me. (I would check the text but finding it is hopeless - there are no keywords in there.)

Oliver, if I were in your shoes I might just wait to see what happens to his ranking after the next update. If it seems as through the text inside those scripts is being used to illegimately enhance his SERPs then I would fill out a report to Google about it.

Oliver

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 12:26 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

daroz,

what do you think about <noscript> and link exchange page?
Is it possible that with this tag Google does not
find this page.

If it is so,.....it is very ..... impolite...I think
;)

Oliver

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 12:44 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

consider that the text inside the <noscript> tag is the description that Google takes to describe the site....

ga_ga

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 12:52 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

<noscript> is intended to provide browsers which cannot process scripts such as javascript, with a way of displaying alternative content to the user. So, if the content within the <noscript></noscript> tags does *not accurately provide alternative content to a script intended to provide content in a script-capable browser, I'd say it's a spammy tactic & worthy of concern.

Individual cases may vary & I might be way out...

rogue

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 1:12 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have seen google take descriptions from inside the <no script> tag before. Its the link that concerns me.

Oliver

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 1:23 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

this is an example of this tag

<noscript><h1>all fruits, orange, lemon, apple</h1> <b>orange, lemon, apple</b></noscript>

wasmith

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 1:28 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've used it in the past ... with embedded content.

I would question why it is needed on a normal html content page. i could understand a flash page. but i've decided never to put anything in that tag, I think for the same reasons as why you are asking.

daroz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 2:02 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

One legitamate use of the tag is done by a "live" website tracking company. The use a javascript tag to track, and if you don't have javascript it loads an image with NOSCRIPT.

I use it (javascript) to detect flash and deal with cookies on some of my sites.

wasmith

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 2:10 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> it loads an image with NOSCRIPT

Not the?content? i was refering too. The tag (has / or had) onpage content potential. Which is not displayed. offpage algos would work well (read best) for that kind of a page. Cleary an image is not keyword stuffing.

daroz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 4:32 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Let me clarify...

My last message had little to do with the specifc 'problem' page that this thread started with. I was simply commenting that there are valid uses of a NOSCRIPT tag.

I don't have enough information (the site - per TOS) to decide, for sure, if they're padding for the algos sake or not. I would suspect they are, but just because they are doesn't mean that everyone is. (Which is why I mentioned that use above)

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 9746 posted 9:34 am on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Regarding <noscript>, on this thread...

Does Google Follow links in dropdowns?
[webmasterworld.com...]

Message #12 suggests...

Use <noscript></noscript> and provide a plain text menu within them

Is this a legitimate use of the tag, and will it work?

daroz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 9746 posted 5:29 pm on Mar 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

The purpose of the NOSCRIPT tag, as the W3C defined it (I'm paraphrasing) was to enable a delivery of 'similiar' content to that inside the SCRIPT tags for browesers that do not support JavaScript (or ECMAScript if you prefer).

If you have a JavaScript menu and have a NOSCRIPT tag with approximatly the same content in it I would not take issue with it.

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