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Raiders of the Lost PageRank - or the PR10 Crusader
pr10, maximum pagerank
minivip




msg:194787
 11:04 pm on Feb 22, 2003 (gmt 0)
A lot of PR10 sites have been listed here, and (nearly) all of them reside in the USA. But now Indiana Jones has been successful and returned from his last PageRank Crusade with a new PR10 in his baggage - the "Nobel e-Museum" at http://www.nobel.se
And it's a very strong PR10 page as round about 10 pages at this site have a PageRank of 10. Would be wonderful if we could find some additional PR10 pages outside of the USA :)

 

jomaxx




msg:194788
 6:34 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow, some of the internal pages are even PR10.

They're prestigious, but how many sites really link to the Nobel Prize homepage? I've NEVER seen a link to them or any reference to their website. Do you suppose Google simply assigned them a 10 because they're the ultimate "authority"?

SlyOldDog




msg:194789
 6:41 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

[alexa.com...]

Lots. I tried to link to this URL from here, but you need to type it straight in.

BigDave




msg:194790
 6:52 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just think about who would be linking to them. Everyone who has won a prize will likely have a link to their page on the list. Most of their employers will to. A lot of universities consider it to be a brag point how many nobel laureates they employ.

Not only are there the links to the home page, but think about the links to the pages for each individual prize. Actually instead of thinking about it, check the actual backlinks on many of those internal pages. I don't know of many sites that have so many external links to so many of their deep pages.

troels nybo nielsen




msg:194791
 7:09 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's so embarassing. The Norwegians have Opera and Fast. The Swedes have nobel.se. But what have we Danes got, when it comes to Internet? Not even Jakob Nielsen. :(

jomaxx




msg:194792
 11:17 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree that some sites would given them a prominent link, but Google gives them 10,000 links, many of which are internal. That's good but they must be pretty amazing links to merit a PR10.

As we all know, Yahoo shows 642,000 links. Adobe has got over 100,000. ZDNet (PR9) has 95,000. The BBC (PR9) has 224,000.

Joker




msg:194793
 11:24 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Surley its all the about the PR of the linking sites.

Loads of High ranking news sites must be linking on a daily basis.

The Subtle Knife




msg:194794
 11:34 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

For god's sake let's stop this
wishy washy nonsense!

Look at my new thread:

"Page Rank for Dummies"

I've selected a URL that has a page rank of 6, and that
has 38 links - I think's that's managable for a real example of how page rank is calculated.
I'm really tired of the same questions, and no proper answers. So the goal of the "Page Rank for Dummies" thread is to post the real example of how it's calculated based on EVERYONES's current understanding.
So go read, and make corrections to the Step method.
I only have step 1, and we can't even agree on that!

troels nybo nielsen




msg:194795
 11:39 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Almost all websites with any authority in those academic fields where there is a Nobel Prize must be linking to nobel.se. Lots of PR 6 and 7 and not so few 8 and perhaps 9.

BigDave




msg:194796
 11:43 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

jomaxx,

I said
Everyone who has won a prize will likely have a link to their page on the list. Most of their employers will to. A lot of universities consider it to be a brag point how many nobel laureates they employ.

The employers of such people are organizations like MIT, CalTech, UC Berkeley, Stanford, National labs, Research hospitals. That is just the science prizes.

Then we start talking about things like the Nobel Peace prize winners. These are the people that are in the history books. How many Mother Theresa pages do you think will link to her Nobel page? Her Nobel Autobiography? Her speech? How high do you think the PR of those sites might get?

Go to the Jimmy Carter lecture page [nobel.se...] for his 2002 peace prize. The speach was on Dec 10, so there was less than one month for links to go up to it before the crawl for the current update.

Look at the backlinks, and look at the PR of those 74. There are a bunch of external PR6 and even a couple of PR8 in there. How many more links so you expect to show up over the next few years?

These are the people that history books are written about, and when people write pages about them there is a good chance that they will link to the pages for their prizes.

Trust me, they do have the high powered links that it takes to get that PR10. There is no reason for Google to cheat on this.

Shakil




msg:194797
 11:46 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

they have NO pr10s linking to them, possibly 1 pr9 but quite a few pr8s.

looks like a hand tweak, and personally I have no problem with that, as long as they dont start selling PR.

Shak

BigDave




msg:194798
 11:54 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shakil,

Dig down and look at the *external* backlinks to many of their internal pages. They have a lot of high PR links, and I mean a LOT.

This is the perfect example of a site where most of the PR comes in through deep links.

There is no need for a site to have a PR10 external link to get a PR10. If you think that you need to go back and read the PageRank documents again. I would guess that they have dozens of PR9 links, hundreds of PR8, and thousands of PR7. They don't need a PR10.

Shakil




msg:194799
 11:56 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Dave,

I was referring to home page, not internal pages.

and if I could read, you seriously think I would spend time hanging around this place!

Shak

SlyOldDog




msg:194800
 11:58 pm on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I agree that some sites would given them a prominent link, but Google gives them 10,000 links, many of which are internal. That's good but they must be pretty amazing links to merit a PR10. As we all know, Yahoo shows 642,000 links. Adobe has got over 100,000. ZDNet (PR9) has 95,000. The BBC (PR9) has 224,000

Take a look at the link I posted. It shows SITES linking to SITES.

Nobel is just a whisker short of 10,000 and the BBC just over 40,000.

I would bet my bottom dollar that the pages linking to Nobel are much higher in pagerank than the ones linking to the BBC. Think of all those EDUs, ORGs, and GOVs!

In addition most pages will link to the BBC home page, where as BigDave points out, Nobel will receive more links targeted at internal pages, so the pagerank will come in and get directed back to the home page.

BigDave




msg:194801
 12:20 am on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shakil,

In that case their home page does have several PR10 pages linking to it. The internal PR10 pages.

You can always try this game, We can pick a major university, the first one I tried was UC Berkeley, and do a site search for the word nobel "site:berkeley.edu nobel" and see how many links to nobel there are. Then do the same thing with MIT, major hospitals, and the national labs.

They point to internal pages that then point to the home page. no tweaking necessary.

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