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Google Buys Pyra: Maker of Blogger Software
The popular weblogging software Blogger will now be a part of Google
estjohn




msg:198941
 6:54 am on Feb 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Weblogs are going Googling.


Google, which runs the Web's premier search site, has purchased Pyra Labs, a San Francisco company that created some of the earliest technology for writing weblogs, the increasingly popular personal and opinion journals.

The buyout is a huge boost to an enormously diverse genre of online publishing that has begun to change the equations of online news and information. Weblogs are frequently updated, with items appearing in reverse chronological order (the most recent postings appear first). Typically they include links to other pages on the Internet, and the topics range from technology to politics to just about anything you can name. Many weblogs invite feedback through discussion postings, and weblogs often point to other weblogs in an ecosystem of news, opinions and ideas.

[weblog.siliconvalley.com...]

 

Marcia




msg:199001
 11:52 pm on Feb 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see it as diversification and clean portalization, with Google wanting to own properties much like someone from Yahoo said they wanted to last year in a press release or interview at the time they bought some property. I think it was the job search Yahoo had purchased at that time, and the intention was stated that more could be expected. Which has happened.

Point of order: where does a community site stop and a blog start?

Some of the means and types of communication that are found in a blog to a limited degree may also be found within a community site, but beyond that similarity I can't see any resemblance whatsoever between a blog and an online community. None.

owillis




msg:199002
 5:23 am on Feb 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Some of the means and types of communication that are found in a blog to a limited degree may also be found within a community site, but beyond that similarity I can't see any resemblance whatsoever between a blog and an online community. None.

Actually, many blogs *are* community sites with one or more blogggers acting as community leaders - getting feedback and refining conversation in comments. There are also several community weblogs such as Fark, Slashdot, Metafilter, Kuro5hin. Same concept, different software.

feeder




msg:199003
 6:34 am on Feb 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

resemblance whatsoever between a blog and an online community. None.

Define online community.

To me, it's a group of people who regularly share a dialogue, operating in an online space. Here's but one: 37signals.com/svn/

A Blog can create that space. As can a forum.

minivip




msg:199004
 1:32 pm on Feb 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

So isn't it a great opportunity to feed the new blogs with (related) google news via XML/RSS and giving users some search funtionalities like search this blog, search in blogosphere and world wide search. Or adding a "related searches/links" box to the blogs? Such tools could generate a lot of additional page- and mini ad-views/clicks.

richmc




msg:199005
 2:15 pm on Feb 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

somehow i can't see Google peppering Blogger sites with their branding like that. just doesn't seem like their style.

HughMungus




msg:199006
 6:14 pm on Feb 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting move. I wonder if there will be a blogger.google.com now like the news.google.com...personal takes on your favorite subjects...

Yidaki




msg:199007
 10:04 pm on Feb 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Interesting move. I wonder if there will be a blogger.google.com now like the news.google.com...personal takes on your favorite subjects...

Following the "new rule" that everything's a fact and not a rumour i'd say that's what we'll see. :)

superkid




msg:199008
 3:40 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Anyone notice that www.blogger.com is now dead?

Brett_Tabke




msg:199009
 3:44 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Point of order: where does a community site stop and a blog start?

Some of the means and types of communication that are found in a blog to a limited degree may also be found within a community site, but beyond that similarity I can't see any resemblance whatsoever between a blog and an online community. None.

So is Slashdot a community or a blog? I say it is a community blog. They select the topics - that makes it a blog. They do allow comments to those topics - that makes it a community.

ciml




msg:199010
 4:04 pm on Feb 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Loads fine for me, superkid. They do mention the amount of bandwidth caused by the news of the Google purchase though.

My money's on blogs.google.com

Hawkgirl




msg:199011
 3:57 am on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wired [wired.com] has a new article up that talks about the deal.

They have some tidbits from Chris Cleveland, CEO of a company that developed a search engine for Blogger last year. He speculates about the purchase and its meaning to Google ... specifically that the blog-style content with tons of links is just ready-made for Google; "rich new sources of data."

chiyo




msg:199012
 4:14 am on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

agree with ciml

blogs.google.com looks odds on

I think google understands the power of blogs and other portals have already made plans or already implemented plans to have hosted blogs etc. They are making sure they are not out-pointed here by acquiring the biggest hosted online blog community, which has some good customer loyalty as being the first or amont the first, plus nice brand equity, not the least in its name.

That said, blogger.com or blogspot blogs represent only a portion of blogs on the net, (though still a sustantive proportion), and imho the great proportion of the best blogs are not second party hosted but use software such as MT and Greymatter. Community blogs do have their own strengths however.

vitaplease




msg:199013
 7:32 am on Feb 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

As soon as the blog tab comes about, I am sure Google will include other blogs than blogger.

If someone else, or nobody bought Blogger, that might have been more difficult. Now they are assured of the critical mass.

GlynMusica




msg:199014
 3:07 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Do blogs not provide links to themed content on the web? I wonder whether this purchase is a way for Google to easily have access to 1,000 of blogs in which people have taken time to organise sites (links) into relevantly content. These could be used collectively to tweak the existing PR algo?

Just a shot in the dark here.

Winooski




msg:199015
 5:21 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

GlynMusica, that might seem reasonable on the face of it, but here's Danny Sullivan's answer to that theory in his February 18 Search Engine Report [searchenginewatch.com]:

...Google doesn't need to purchase a weblog company to better understand weblogs any more than it needs to purchase a web hosting company to better understand web sites, a home page building company to better understand home pages, a newspaper to better understand news sites or an online merchant to better understand merchant sites. Google already interacts with millions of different sites of all natures. It can, and does, already use the entire web as its free laboratory.

webby




msg:199016
 5:27 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

So as far as I understand there seem to be three main reasons why Google bought Pyra:

- to keep their search results accurate using all the links posted by bloggers. A million web logs is like a million editors working for them real-time. Also Googles popularity in turn can help 'Weblogs' develop more fully as a concept.

- to feed their web quotes. Though some of the comments in weblogs are pretty crappy:)

- Pyra's patents like micro-advertising can be useful to Google's adwords.

Dante_Maure




msg:199017
 11:25 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

From where I'm sitting it seems a natural progression of the strategy Google has been developing for some time now. (e.g. their purchase of Deja this time last year [google.com])

There have been some interesting insights and inquiry into what Google really has to gain from this [sixapart.com] compliments of the blogging community itself via...

Matt Webb's very interesting angle, [interconnected.org]

and

Cory Doctorow's essay at BoingBoing [boingboing.net]

NFFC




msg:199018
 11:40 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Google already interacts with millions of different sites of all natures. It can, and does, already use the entire web as its free laboratory.

Granted.

It may however give blogs.google.com the same robots.txt as it does their other properties. "Content" is one thing, exclusive content is a different animal althogether.

Dante_Maure




msg:199019
 4:15 am on Feb 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Content" is one thing, exclusive content is a different animal althogether.

Everybody repeat the above phrase 3 times, pass "Go", and collect 200$. ;)

My hats off to you NFFC for perhaps one of the single most insightful comments in this entire thread.

Winooski




msg:199020
 3:06 pm on Feb 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK, I'll bite ;)...What's so special about Google having access to the proprietary blogger content? Collecting access fees to the content?

ggrot




msg:199021
 3:36 am on Feb 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

Perhaps I missed this, but here is Ev's (former CEO of Pyra) take on this thing:
[evhead.com...]

I get the feeling google is also liking the fact that they are picking up some very talented people.

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