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Google December 2002 Update!

 2:46 pm on Jan 1, 2003 (gmt 0)



Made In Sheffield

 12:03 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Damn, new it would start while I was away :)

First heart stopping moment of 2003, PR had gone from 4 down to 3, gulp. Relief, checked again and up to 5, then back to 4. As long as the 3 doesn't stick I''ll be happy. Backlinks up from 1 to 110.


 1:06 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

"now that they are totally unreliable they should be dumped."

That's just hysteria. Not only aren't they unreliable, besides Google dmoz is the most reliable entity on the Internet and that takes into account the RDF dump failures. Every other entity has proven itself time and again much worse. It's not perfect, but it is far and away the best there is -- and it accomplishes that with nearly zero money.


 1:12 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmm if I look at the links back to me it has become much better but the new link count is allready the same in www as in www3, maybe this is one of the quick updates.



 1:42 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> Yahoo does offer free entrace into the directory for informational sites <<


troels nybo nielsen

 2:30 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was going to answer you: "Same for me, but the SERPs are different."

But then right now I tested one of my main keywords and now www shows the same as www3.

If we really are through I can only say that this has been a good update for me. Better than I had dared hope.


 2:50 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

troels nybo nielsen many of mine main keywords ranking are allmost the same, not the big changes even if I had 200 more links to my site.

So maybe it is a quick update our we are at the very beginng.



 3:03 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

"now that they are totally unreliable they should be dumped."

Yawn. It's just so totally ridicuous.

RDF and other associated glitches do not impact the fact that DMOZ is the biggest and highest quality directory on the net - by miles. The glitches should neither be used as a flimsy excuse to attack.

Criticising what exists without basis or justification is just so easy. Creating something worthwhile is rather harder. Anyone with merit surely contributes to the latter rather than standing on the sidelines throwing stones.

By the way: DMOZ is not 'owned' by AOL, only administrated by them. It is not owned by anyone, which is another of its great strengths.


 3:19 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

The update is done here it seems. My brand new site is now showing up PR5 along with some backlinks on www.google, as well as www2 and 3


 3:20 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

what makes me laugh is that I was fired from my job for allegedly not doing my job properly then all the work I did get's storming results. Boy am I gonna enjoy telling them!


 3:35 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)


Sorry, just had to say that, I just got in this morning to find the update well underway. GREAT results for my new site, up to PR4 from PR0 on www2, and number 1 for my most important string! :)

Not so good for my older, more established site, though, the number of backlinks has doubled but I'm still PR5 and only minor improvements in SERPs. What does it take to get a PR6, jeeze!? I guess my new links must not be very good quailty.

What's the opinion at this point, is the update pretty much over, or can we expect more PR changes?

Made In Sheffield

 3:45 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

It looks to me like:

www-ab is done
www-dc not done yet
www-ex is done
www-in not done yet
www-va not done yet

Based on the SERPs for my main keywords. Anyway it definately not over yet.


 3:51 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

looks like www-sj is done too

Made In Sheffield

 3:52 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Confirmed by a link:www.yahoo.com, two data centers are over, three are still on old index.

AFAIK www-sj and www-zu aren't in use. Anyone know different?

Made In Sheffield

 3:53 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just checked, www-sj is redirecting to another Data Center, try a refresh on the results and you'll see different sets.


 4:03 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

After wading through 250 messages, I still can't figure out what changed, if anything, from last month.

But something gave way ... because my PR went from 7 to 6 and I lost more than a third of my links.

I made no changes ... and as far as I can tell, my competition made no changes, either.


rick whittington

 4:04 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

How do I check my number of backlinks through Google? What are backlinks?

Made In Sheffield

 4:07 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Those changes could all result from other sites losing PR. A third of your linking sites probably dropped below the threshold at which link: returns them (4 I think although it may not be on the Toolbar 3/4 borderline), and due to PR loss on linking sites you went from 7 to 6. You didn't necessarily "lose" any links but they lost PR.

Made In Sheffield

 4:09 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Backlinks are the number of sites linking to you with a PageRank of around 4 or above.

To check what your new amount of backlinks are do a search on www2.google.com with the term:


(Replace yourdomain with your domain name)

If you search on www.google.com with that you will get either the new amount or the old amount because we are still in the Dance.


 4:12 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Rick, welcome to WW! :)

You have arrived at a busy time of the month!

Google backlinks are sites that link to you and are indexed by Google.

You download the Google toolbar, here:


You can can check the PR (PageRank - based on number of backlinks) of your site and how many people link to you (just click on page info and select Backward Links).

Note - sites wont show up as backlinks if they have a PR of 4 or less.

Enjoy - you are only just experiencing the madness! ;)


troels nybo nielsen

 4:14 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, getvisibleuk and rick.

check this:

link: [yahoo.com...]

It will show you the number of pages linking to Yahoo's main page.


<added>You beat me once again, JOAT. :( And you, Made In Sheffield. 2003 has done good to my websites but not to me.</added>


 4:20 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think the timing of this update answers the perpetual question: "Is the the start of the update automated or set in motion by humans at the Googleplex?"
It looks like Google decided to start after the last time zone had hit 2003 (an appealing idea if you're Google as listings are 2003 worldwide then).

Made In Sheffield

 4:25 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

>> an appealing idea if you're Google as listings are 2003 worldwide then <<

Please explain why this is an appealing idea?

rick whittington

 4:27 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the welcome -- I've be reading for about 2 weeks. So when is the dance over and when does the deep crawl typically happen for the next dance?


 4:29 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)


By the way: DMOZ is not 'owned' by AOL, only administrated by them. It is not owned by anyone, which is another of its great strengths.

Paradoxically, not being owned by anyone is also its greatest weakness.

Made In Sheffield

 4:30 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

The dance is over when all of Google's data centers are using the new index, currently 2 of the 5 are showing the new results so either the second one is still being finsihed off or the third one is on it's way to being half done.

<added>That's assuming that they are done one after the other and not in paralell, can anyone confirm?</added>

Basically we're just under half way through. You can monitor the progress by searching on:


.google.com - the five data centers currently in use.

<added>And you will see either old results or new ones which tells you if that data center is done yet</added>

<added>Deep crawl usually starts after the dance is over</added>


 4:40 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

afaik, dmoz/odp is owned by netscape.

Netscape Communications Corporation (`Netscape') owns the copyright to the compilation of the different contributions, ...

From the Open Directory License [dmoz.org] site.

This way it's owned in parts (stocks) by AOL, Time Warner, no!?


 5:11 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I hope the dance is not over, I just came off checking a search pharse and 33 of first 34 are from the same site (urls different)same content. Seeing this (not as bad)in other searches.
What is google doing?

Made In Sheffield

 5:16 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you search for the term on www2.google.com you will see the way the results will be, so if that's what you get then it sounds pretty frustrating. If it's spam then report it.


 5:18 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I found 216-239-45-4.google.com hitting my site on some different webpages. Is this the client which reads each webpage or is that runnning off the googlebot.com domain?


 5:18 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

nope not mine :(


 5:22 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

That is what google2 shows 33 0f first 34 results

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