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PFOnline

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Msg#: 7811 posted 10:41 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi, recently many decent sites have been asking for a link to them on my links page, some of which have a pagerank of 0, but I think this is because its a brand new site.

Because I am paranoid about getting penalized for linking to "bad neighborhoods", or sites that have been banned by Google, i was wondering whats a good way to not use a normal, standard URL so google wont follow the sites i link to.

What is best to use, a javascript link or a redirect type link such as [mydomain.com...] ?

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks :)

 

PFOnline

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Msg#: 7811 posted 10:46 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

I noticed WebmasterWorld uses some sort of redirect for outbound URL's posted in posts like this:

[webmasterworld.com...]

This is what i would want! What is this method called that WW uses? How would i go about setting my outbound links like this?

Thanks!

BigDave

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Msg#: 7811 posted 11:03 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

How about trying this, if you believe that they are new and that is the reason that they are showing up as PR0. Why don't you set up a throw away domain that you can use for your links page. Link to a links page there. That way you can help out the new guy, without endangering your important domains.

You can give him enough PR to bring him up to a PR1, and if his PR doesn't come up, or your throw away site gets a bad neighborhood penalty, you can dump the link or the site without losing much.

PFOnline

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Msg#: 7811 posted 11:11 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmm, interesting idea! That would work but, I don't exactly have the money to set up a whole new domain with hosting and all just for a seperate links page...

Would be easier just to do what WebmasterWorld does, where its like www.webmasterworld.com/cgi/www.domain.com I wish i knew how they do it!

Idaho

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Msg#: 7811 posted 11:58 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Why don't you set up a throw away domain that you can use for your links page. Link to a links page there. That way you can help out the new guy, without endangering your important domains.

I've considered doing this, but wondered if I would get into trouble by Google for cross-linking with my own site. What are your thoughts?

homegirl

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Msg#: 7811 posted 1:21 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you're doing a redirect for the link, it's not going to help the site requesting the link. Google only cares about direct links (without redirects). If the site requesting the link has a savvy webmaster, etc., nothing short of a direct link is what they want.

Idaho, you wouldn't get into trouble with Google for cross-linking depending on how the "throwaway" site was created. If it had decent content (even if it was only one page of content), you shouldn't be penalized. If it's a spam page or simply a link tactic (domain with mostly worthless content), you'd be penalized.

John_Caius

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Msg#: 7811 posted 1:34 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Remember the difference between low PRs:

grey = not indexed yet, no problem

white = either a) bad neighbourhood or b) really tiny new site

Without a penalty, you've got to be *really* tiny to have a PR of 0 - if the googlebot found you to put you in the index then you must have had a link from somewhere, unless you got lucky with the direct site submit.

So if they're a badly designed single page site with no content and just one result when you search in google for their domain name then it's possible that they're a type b) PR0. It wouldn't help their PR if they had many more outward links than they had pages in the site as they wouldn't be recycling their PR to their homepage.

On the other hand, if they look like a normal site with a few pages and some links in, they're more likely to be type a). Are their links attributed to some link management program, so do they have a group of "special" links at the top of the list, or are they a member of a larger group of sites?

BigDave

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Msg#: 7811 posted 1:37 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Don't link back to your own site then, and there won't be any cross linking penalty. Set up a site on geocities or something and just give it a good enough link to make it PR2. It won't hurt your website much to give out a link like that, and you can use it to help new sites while checking that they aren't penalized.

BTW, I link to a penalized site and have yet to receive a penalty for doing so. It is one out of over 100 links on the page though.

BigDave

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Msg#: 7811 posted 1:40 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

John_Caius,

Grey bar = not in the index, either new, has no incoming links or BANNED.

white bar = PR < 1 or penalized, but still in the index

europeforvisitors



 
Msg#: 7811 posted 2:21 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

homegirl wrote:

Google only cares about direct links (without redirects).

I'm not too sure about that. Several months ago, I published an article on a Mediterranean cruise, and the owner of a cruise linked to it from her PR6 home page via a redirect page. (In other words, the link on her home page pointed to another page, and users went to that page, they were redirected to my article.) The article is still in the #1 position for a reasonably competitive search term (the name of the cruise ship), and--here's the weird part--the URL shown beneath the name of my article is the URL of cruise site's redirect page. But the title and snippet are from my site, and the article's PR of 5 suggests that it's inheriting a healthy chunk of PageRank.

John_Caius

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Msg#: 7811 posted 3:43 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

ok, yes, grey could be banned too. But in my experience, grey usually means just not found yet.

I've got a page that's one of six links off the homepage of a site. The site has precisely one inbound link and that's from a PR 2 page. The page in question is a PR 2 itself. That's why I think it must be difficult to get a PR 0 unless it's just a really new page.

Marcia

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Msg#: 7811 posted 5:37 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

PFOnline, head over to HotScripts, they've got plenty of redirect scripts there, in a number of languages - Perl, PHP, asp, etc.

PFOnline

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Msg#: 7811 posted 5:52 am on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Marcia, i know :) This post was made before I got the answer in the WebmasterWorld category. But it was "resurrected" so it looks like I asked the same question after getting the answer allready in the WW category..... Thanks again, found some good ones at hotscripts. :)

Good_Vibes

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Msg#: 7811 posted 3:53 pm on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

John & Dave,

I agree with you:

> Grey bar = not in the index, either new, has no incoming links or BANNED.

> White bar = PR < 1 or penalized, but still in the index

I've have deduced the same thing from my sites. I also know that the white bar penalization is purely algorhythmical. There is rarely a human penalty, which means that you can remove the penalty if you can figure out what it is (of course it takes 2 months for the spiders to get you the new PR).

primate

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Msg#: 7811 posted 5:46 pm on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

> Grey bar = not in the index, either new, has no incoming links or BANNED.

Is the grey bar mouseover message the same regardless of the status of the site, whether it's banned or not yet indexed?

psoares



 
Msg#: 7811 posted 6:25 pm on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

PFOnline - link to whom you think is worthy of a link(a vote) regardless of PhakeRank.

Imagine if everyone stopped linking because they liked sites and did it according to what the foolbar told them!

alex_h

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Msg#: 7811 posted 7:03 pm on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Redirects and Googleboy.

If you Redirect w/ HTTP Code 302 (Found, i.e. moved temporarily), then it indexes the URL that is redirecting. In other words, if www.example.com/new-site.html 302-> www.new-site.com, then it will index the HTML from www.new-site.com, but it assign it to the url www.example.com/new-site.html. This makes sense, as a 302 means that the URL refers to the file, it is just temporarily the resulting file.

If you Redirect w/ a 301 (Moved, i.e. moved permenantly), it treats all references to the former as the latter. For example, Google would store no records of www.example.com/new-site.html, but all links to it would be added to www.new-site.com.

If you use a Redirection script and don't want to pass along PageRank, you need to ban Googlebot from the script.

Alex

Good_Vibes

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Msg#: 7811 posted 10:20 pm on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Primate,

> Is the grey bar mouseover message the same regardless of the status of the site, whether it's banned or not yet indexed?

Yes it is the same message regardless of the reason.

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