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Which is best? link from..
PR6 pg with lots of links or PR3 with a few
Mark_A




msg:95553
 4:53 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Assuming I can have one of the links on either page?

Is it true that outgoing PR is divided up amongst the links out from that page.

Anyone know more on this.
I know this has been discussed but dont expect searching this forum for PR will exactly hone in on the precise issue :-)

 

Marcia




msg:95554
 5:05 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's divided, but it's not 3 divided by 20 or 6 divided by 20. It's on an ascending scale where there's a multiplied amount to go up each step from 3 to 4 to 5 to 6, incrementally. This is *very* unscientific, but the value that will be divided amongst the links on the PR6 page isn't 3 steps up, it's multiplied steps up - so either way you slice it, the PR6 is worth more. If the PR6 were 100 links or less I'd grab it in a flat second over the 3, even if the 3 only had 2 outbound links.

I'm sure some will disagree, but I've never been able to find a page that got up to PR5 with only PR3 links. I'd take the 6 in a New York minute.

[edited by: Marcia at 5:07 pm (utc) on Dec. 17, 2002]

jackofalltrades




msg:95555
 5:05 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Which is best?

The page that is more relevant to your content!;)

The more relevant the page, then the more qualified the traffic it drives to your site. PR is irrelevant.

The amount you would gain from either would be negligible. Youd be better choosing one and moving on to finding more links!

JOAT :)

Dino_M




msg:95556
 5:16 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Is there a level where google inforce an additional penalty for to many outbound links, so say a page has 40 links which give 1/40 x PR of page but when a page has 50 links it crosses a threshold and gives out a lot less PR than 1/50 x PR?

anyone have any info on this?

rogerd




msg:95557
 6:09 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dino, there was a post last week from a member who had observed PR differences on his site that suggested the kind of phenomonenon you mention. He had a large number of internal pages in a directory. Pages linked from big directory pages (sorry, I forget what he considered big, probably 200 links) had PR that was 2 or 3 points below similar pages linked from smaller directory pages. Sorry this is from memory...

Mark_A




msg:95558
 6:17 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

thanks for your comments Marcia, jackofalltrades and Dino_M.

It seems sadly from the three posts so far that there is no firm consensus :-)

Unfortunately jackofalltrades both pages would be equally suitable for the site in question but it is one or the other.

Marcia




msg:95559
 6:30 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Relevancy is good. I have some highly relevant links that send a hit a month. :)

Relevancy has nothing whatsoever to do with Page Rank, and an increase in PR can and generally will cause a boost in rankings. For ranking purposes, to give a PR boost, take the 6.

I'm familiar with lots of sites that have LOADS of PR3 links, with a couple better ones thrown in, that stay at PR4. With only a few decent links a site can move from PR4 to PR5 - and move from #3 to #1, which can mean the difference between sales or no sales.

There's a link here that explains how to figure Page Rank:

[webmasterworld.com...]

taxpod




msg:95560
 7:32 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

First you have to start with the idea that PR 1 - 10 is just a representation of the real PR. It is said to be a logarithmic scale. So with a base of 10 (just for demo purposes),

a PR 3 = 10^3 = 1,000 and a PR 6 = 10^6 = 1,000,000

Next there is the dampening factor, say 75% (just for demo), the real PR gets multiplied by .75 so in the two examples, the transferred PR would be 750 & 750,000.

Then you have to account for the number of outbound links, lets say 10 & 100. The PR3 page with 10 outbound links would transfer 750/10=75 to each link. The PR6 page with 100 outbounds would transfer 750,000/100=7,500 to each link.

But the real answer was already tendered which is to say that PR is but one element and arguably not all that important of an element. Perhaps more important is getting a link from a relevant page.

The actual serps algo is complex and everchanging. But the smart folks here seem to agree that you want a link from the most relevant page regardless of its PR.

Mark_A




msg:95561
 8:09 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Marcia to go back to "I've never been able to find a page that got up to PR5 with only PR3 links."

I also have not seen any that way round so it does suggest I target the 6/10

However there must be some higher PR pages with lots of lower pages pointing at them unless Google starts its calculations by awarding various pages perhaps like Yahoo and dmoz 10 and 9 /10 and then counts all the rest of the web down from there?

pshea




msg:95562
 10:07 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's important to remember that a PR6 site today could be greyed out tomorrow. And that a PR3 today could be a PR8 a year from now.

Marcia




msg:95563
 10:15 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Mark, that's not the only link you'll have, anyway; there will be more.

Another thing - how are the rankings and traffic on those sites. It's hard to tell sometimes about traffic unless it's a site you're familiar with, and I've seen where clicks are fabricated - I suspect them running bots to impress the link partners, which keeps their main page PR6, but yet it doesn't come up for any relevant search results.

By the way, is this two different sites you're talking about, or choosing a link from alternate pages on one site?

Mark_A




msg:95564
 12:44 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Marcia, its the same site I am talking about.

The proposal that PR is to a log scale has me thinking that I should indeed always go for the 6.

Marcia




msg:95565
 12:55 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Mark, PR5 isn't that hard to get to. But the log scale - it's a rough road from a 5 to a six. I've got 2 PR6 links, one from a homepage, and still not at PR6.

Chris_R




msg:95566
 8:51 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

PR is a little like wrestlers. Sure - skill, dexterity, adn everything else matters. But I would put money on a 200 pound wrestler over 100 pounds any day.

Sure a PR3 site can be worth more in the future, but a PR6 site usually is both a better link - and also better traffic.

It is as has been pointed out - much more difficult as you move up the scale....

ciml




msg:95567
 11:30 am on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

In my experience, if the PR6 page has 60 links then it wil transfer more PageRank than even a PR5 page with 3 links.

As taxpod points out, PR isn't everything. According to my figures a PR6 page with 10 links will give more PR than 20 PR5 pages with 10 links each, but the 20 PR5 pages may give more ranking benefit (which is more important in some ways).

As Dino M suggests, there's a very significant fall in the PR given out beyond a certain number of links per page (I don't know how many exactly).

jayq




msg:95568
 5:06 pm on Dec 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

I would tend to think that regardless of how all of the Google toolbar jockeys are trying to manipulate the results now...in the long term you will do best getting your links from the most relevant pages.

Google always comes around and stikes down the SEO's they try to manipulate the results with "great vengence and furious anger" eventually. We've seen it happen plenty of times in the past.

That's just my opinion anyway.

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