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Google Launches New "Experiments" at Google Labs
rubble88




msg:66833
 9:05 pm on Dec 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

More New Stuff From Google Labs

Google Webquotes: Enables users to read multiple viewpoints and descriptions of a specific website. For example, enter [digital cameras] as a search term and Google Webquotes delivers a list of the most relevant results. Every digital camera website listed in the results page is accompanied by descriptions and critiques that have been automatically collected from third party sources from around the web.
Direct to Google Viewer [labs.google.com]

Google Viewer: Browse Google search results as a slide show. For example, enter [tahoe ski cams] as a search term and Google Viewer automatically displays a list of Tahoe ski cam sites accompanied by a live preview of each page. As Google Viewer displays the search results, users have the option to speed up or slow down the rate at which results are displayed or to stop the viewer at the site they wish to visit.
Direct to Google WebQuotes [labs.google.com]

 

chinook




msg:66863
 2:36 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Stats & stats & stats
current & historical search stats (searchs per hour, peaks etc, by industry etc)
keyword hits (like overture's keyword suggestion tool except real)
related keywords (like wordtracker tool)
website lifetime
alexa like ranking but pulling results from the google toolbar (which I believe has a bigger installed base?)
referral stats- # of referrals from google to a particular site, sorted by various variables
keyword position checker
path followed from google results (ie searched for something & then went to these sites)

GilbertZ




msg:66864
 2:50 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

I got another idea but it would require work on the part of webmasters.

Long ago when the internet was not well known and small a colleague of mine suggested self-categorizing websites. Webmasters can decide for themselves which category they belong to. While DMOZ is a human directory with the problems associated with it, like slow updates, some so-so editors etcetera, their categorization system ain't bad. It's the listings that are mostly the problem.

I've found that surfing with the googlebar and alexa together gives me a different view of sites and the web in general...I can use the directory to see what other sites belong in that category and Alexa to see similar sites within the category...it brings a whole new dimension to surfing....

If webmasters had a meta tag where they self-categorized themselves within the ODP structure, google could easily come up with algos to "rank" their relevance within a certain dmoz category. So the idea would be, webmasters would submit themselves to a category by putting it into the meta tag, and the labs would have an alternative view to directory.google.com where it would list all sites that believe they belong to a certain category in order of relevance.

Google, could rank them by an algo that goes beyond pagerank. If well respected sites that are themselves in the Widget/Butter category, and they link to several other pages believed to be part of the Widget/Butter category, and they aren't spamming up the idea by submitting a hundred pages with a hundred different categories, and they have the keyword Widget/Butter in the right combo on their page text...they get a better ranking.

And the meta tag is an initiative that a blogger is currently already working on so it isn't like you have to invent it from scratch.

Google is all about automation, but it relies a bit too heavily on dmoz in my opinion...this would even the score a bit I think...

EBear




msg:66865
 3:32 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Googleguy

Why not a directory using GilbertZ's idea of a cat Meta tag, but categorizing each web page based on ISBN. It's worked for years for the printed word; I've never understood why no engine seems to use it (or do you?).

I love the viewer. It's got a fat rewind button to take you back to the first result. Can we have a fast forward one as well so I can see my results? :(

GilbertZ




msg:66866
 3:39 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

EBear,
Ironic your username, as NZBear is the blogger suggesting the dmoz categories...I'm sure he'd love to learn more about ISBN as would I.

Any links which make it easy to surf their categories? I once searched for info on ISBN and even emailed them but it was pretty complicated.

GoogleGuy




msg:66867
 8:30 pm on Dec 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Interesting ideas. If people haven't checked out "GooFresh" they might be interested.

My favorite experiment with ISBN and Google: a couple Googlers hooked a bar code scanner (a CueCat) up to a Google search box. It's so much fun scanning a book and then automatically running a search for it--searching for ISBN numbers works pretty well on Google. :)

We'll keep trying to bring out neat ways to explore the web!

GoogleGuy




msg:66868
 1:43 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

In fact, we're always rolling out new things that improve things for users. :)

Krapulator




msg:66869
 3:11 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

<tastless comment>
Cool! That scroller will make it much easier to surf for porn</tastless comment>

Zaccix




msg:66870
 6:09 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

I did a search just now on Webquotes for something I've been looking for (for a long time now) and found it first go. Just for that, Webquotes gets a :tup: (thumbs up) from me. :)

GoogleGuy




msg:66871
 6:25 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

We're always happy when someone finds a new way to use Google, Krapulator. On the other hand, you might want to watch out for raging pop-up storms. ;)

Glad that WebQuotes did the job for you, Zaccix!

turk182




msg:66872
 10:02 am on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Good find Ruble88!

zeus




msg:66873
 1:01 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well after the Google Viewer is active a no.1 on search results are not that important anymore, because many cant stop go for the next page just to see what comes next, thats for sure. The design for the front page must be in top to get one to stop and manny will first stop when they have seen no.7 and then they will stay by no. 7, this could mean that no.7 will get more hits than no.1, nobody stops at no.1, this is a big ranking change now its better to be in the middle.

zeus

mayor




msg:66874
 5:36 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Neat tools, Googleguy. When do we see the GoogleRemote for controlling the slide show from our easy chair?

Lots0




msg:66875
 6:22 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Google viewer - Couldn’t get the viewer to work well - seems kinda of like a waste of time to me.

Webquotes - Why did Google feel the need to expand its TOS for this service?

rjohara




msg:66876
 7:43 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

WebQuotes certainly has a lot of potential. It is an example of a "reputation manager" as Nielsen calls them:

[useit.com...]

Good job, Google.

WebQuotes doesn't yet read numeric character references correctly (all the apostrophes and quotes get mangled). I'm sure that's a detail that will be polished up soon.

rjohara




msg:66877
 8:04 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy, speaking of ISBNs, here's something I'd love to see as a lab experiment. It might not be "popular" enough for prime time, but I bet it would be so easy to do that the clever Google people could put it together in an afternoon.

The online library catalogs of the world implement a communication protocol called Z39.50 which allows a person to search multiple library catalogs from one client - you effectively get an online "union catalog" as library folks say. The Z39.50 standard is also used by software like ProCite, so I can download records straight from the Library of Congress into my own database if I want. But the client software, not being driven by a very competitive environment for the most part, is rather clunky and is usually only available by logging into a library website somewhere.

I think it would be great if Google were to implement a "search the libraries of the world" page, where you could enter a search term and get a world union catalog SERP by way of the Z39.50 protocol. Google still maintains the spirit of its academic roots, and providing such a service, even if it didn't bring in a lot of money, would contribute to Google's reputation for quality. (And I suppose Amazon.com could always buy Adwords in the margin.) ;)

cjtripnewton




msg:66878
 8:18 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

If the slide show catches on, then webmasters around the world who have been trying to meet ADA compliance AND basic design standards are going to have to put their style sheets back into their code, instead of using external style sheets, as recommended.

Is Google going to update the tool so that they will grab style sheets?

mahlon




msg:66879
 10:20 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

I could really get used to the viewer! It would be nice to be able to scroll the site preview down but this is great.

:) :)

Jon_King




msg:66880
 11:30 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

It will be interesting to take into account designing for a slide show presentation of the home page. Catch em' in 1 second or lose em'!

Jon_King




msg:66881
 11:37 pm on Dec 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

The different venues for web page delivery from Google Labs are just the greatest. This is really exciting and will open a vast arena of opportunities for all webmasters. I am more encouraged than ever about our creative and profitable future.

miradu




msg:66882
 3:55 am on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am very impressed with Google Viewer. It takes the thinking out of web searching.. before i would have to think of the validity of each site etc before clicking it, now i jsut watch, and if i see what i like... it's very nice.

The onle thing i don't like is that when i stop the scrolling, the entire page is not loaded, and i ahve to open it in a seperate window. Some pages don't have all the info in the first page - it would be cooler if it scrolled the entire page after like a keyclick, and than went on..

miradu




msg:66883
 4:01 am on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy - i would love to see google implment in the labs some of the top winners from your coding contest... But I like the different dealings with interfaces... How about you expand on image search?

gilli




msg:66884
 6:46 am on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

Similar to Google News - Google Weather. There is so much weather related content on the web it would be great to aggregate it and then break it down geographically and also by various aspects (ocean conditions, surf reports, snow reports, storm warnings, etc..).

mayor




msg:66885
 10:31 am on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Google slide show can upset the whole SEO business.

When surfers kick off a slide show, it's no longer the top of the SERPs that's going to get the most clicks. Surfers will sit back and watch ten or twenty slides, then go back and select a couple that look like they are the most relevant.

Anyone on the first few pages has a decent chance of being found, not just the top dogs.

This thing is powerful if it catches on, and a win-win for everyone.

But can the information servers and pipelines handle the bandwith?

GilbertZ




msg:66886
 3:22 pm on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm having a problem with the viewer in that sometimes it's showing the wrong sites that don't match what its supposed to be. Maybe because I have too many windows open and ie is eating 200 mb? :)

What I'd love to see on that page is quicklinks, somehow a list of the sites I've just viewed, 1-10 or 1-100 with the current one highlighted so if it scrolled by I can easily click the one I want to see...

lazerzubb




msg:66887
 6:06 pm on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

Had a Google employee browsing around a site of mine with the Viewer, earlier today :)

cjtripnewton




msg:66888
 6:43 pm on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>The Google slide show can upset the whole SEO
>>business. When surfers kick off a slide show,
>>it's no longer the top of the SERPs that's
>>going to get the most clicks.

That reinforces a basic but controversial idea I've been spreading - that "winning" in seo terms isn't everything. The real trick is to win with a website that grabs the reader's attention and presents them with a design that reaches them emotionally.

If you can get a top 10 spot in a crowded field, where the other webmasters have resorted to writing dissertations for their home pages or creating titles like "keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 keyword4 keyword5 keyword6" just to win, you can pull the traffic because the searcher is going to look in the first page of search results for the company that does the best job of using the search results presentation to present themselves as a professional organization. At a minimum, that means putting your company name in your title.

Then you have to have a winning design. Otherwise, they'll just hit the back button.

When a searcher is presented with a search result has a title like this, "keyword1 keyword2 keyword3 keyword4 keyword5 keyword6," they are left to wonder what company that is.

For sure, when the Viewer catches on, it is going to change the way people search for things like "web designer".

Winning wasn't everything before the Viewer came to be. When the Viewer catches on, it'll be even less.

<added>
By the way, I spent last night putting the external style sheets back into my sites.
</added>

ritualcoffee




msg:66889
 7:43 pm on Dec 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy:

How about a lookup of sites that are Section 508 compliant?

Melliflu




msg:66890
 10:52 pm on Dec 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sounds like the scrolled pages don't get into the browser history/cache -- which is nice.

SlyOldDog




msg:66891
 10:02 am on Dec 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I saw some nice "third party" comments written about the sites themselves when they did a link swap :)

The third party comments still are not independent.

Bernie




msg:66892
 2:41 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

I love the viewer and hope it's usage will increase rapidly after the release.

Benefits:
- Position's importance is decreased for the benefit of look and feel of the page
- simple doorwaypages are out big time (esp. if they use js to forward to a sales page) :)
- viewer will increase usage of google *g*

Googleguy:

I would really appreciate If you handled the problem with the included style sheets. if style sheets have to be on page in order to be interpreted correctly by the viewer we all will have to modify our pages and end up with inflated source code. :(

Regards
Bernie

flowilu




msg:66893
 6:23 pm on Dec 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Very useful: Watching the slide show, in Netscape 7.01/Mozilla Browsers I can click on a page's title and 'Open in a new tab'.

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