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My content stolen
Will this affect my Google rankings
Matt_James




msg:191980
 10:56 pm on Dec 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have an extensive site that I have spent many months creating content for. I have discovered that 2 other sites have copied large amounts of my text.
Will Google see this as duplicate content and penalise *me* or does it know the age of pages?

 

vitaplease




msg:191981
 7:22 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Matt,

do a site search at WebmasterWorld (see the link on top of the page) for duplicate content. You will find many threads discussing that subject.

There are numbers circulating that up to 30% of the entire www would be duplicate content....

As long as your site has better quality links towards its copied pages you should do better than the copy-cats.

Send emails to the copiers with a cc to their provider if possible and add a cc to Google, just to scare them.

fathom




msg:191982
 8:01 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Will Google see this as duplicate content and penalise *me* or does it know the age of pages?

Google will unlikely do anything at all -- at least until both (or more) sites become extremely successful (highly ranked). And in this case IMHO you are safe.

Personally the point is moot.

If you can prove the content theft occurred:

1. contact their host, and ask them (with evidence) to block their service, if they are an ethical sort they will probably assist you, and/or

2. contact the companies directly and threaten legal action (but be professional), normally this works great.

Send emails to the copiers with a cc to their provider if possible and add a cc to Google, just to scare them.

Excellent tip Vitaplease! ;)

cwnet02




msg:191983
 10:43 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Matt,

I hade the same problem just a litle while ago and had been lucky enough to find stored copies of my website on archive.org

Writing to the ISP of the content thief resulted in:

"Dear Sir,

Our customer has verfied your information regarding the use of parts of your website in their own site. The relative parts have been removed from the <URL> site yesterday and we and our customer sincerely regrets any trouble this may have caused.

Sincerely,"

[webmasterworld.com...]

Good luck

jackofalltrades




msg:191984
 10:52 am on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

>There are numbers circulating that up to 30% of the entire www would be duplicate content....

That much?

Of that what percentage would you say was legitimate duplicate content and what was stolen?

>Send emails to the copiers with a cc to their provider if possible and add a cc to Google, just to scare them.

He he. I did a similar thing a few years back (by snail mail, not email tho). I was having trouble getting a deposit back from an estate agency, and the guy i was dealing with was an ass, so after a couple of months of arguing I cc every letter (and i can write big ass letters! ;)) to the MD, their client and a forth addressed to their "complaints handling partner".

It was surprising effective! :)

JOAT

kfander




msg:191985
 12:39 pm on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

>> If you can prove the content theft occurred:

1. contact their host, ...

2. contact the companies ...

You might want to contact the webmaster or owner of the site in question first, if you haven't already done so. I have found that this is almost always all that is required.

It is possible that no illegality was intended. The webmaster may have obtained permission to use the content from someone who didn't have the right to grant such permission, for example. I've seen that happen with photos, and have even been accused by a third party of having stolen my own photos from their site.

Of course, the best policy for a webmaster is to write it yourself. In your own mind then, at least, the copyright issues are unclouded.

fathom




msg:191986
 4:28 pm on Dec 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Professionalism is always best in these situations but IMHO the offense is serious and regardless of how ignorant any particular person is at the other end, you have been violated.

A scam artist may have sold your design/content;

Your design could be on some CD template making someone else a million bucks.

A webmaster may have done it with or without premission;

In any instances the "scam artist" needs to be caught, the webmaster needs to be fired or whomever made the decision.

Action is required - so that this does not happen.

Copyrights only protect you when others believe those copyrights will be enforceable.

If others believe they can get away with it, don't believe this is as bad as stealing your car, or are ill informed of the unethical people currently working and representing their company in a bad light... then copyrights have no meaning.

kfander wrote: I have found that this is almost always all that is required.

Maybe so, however, this is equivalent to a physical assault where 2 assailants pre-planned the attack, and then "blind-sided" the individual.

2 other sites have copied large amounts of my text

Lots of people copy for reasons but these tend to be for personal use.

By openingly displaying the works in public (takes forethought) and therefore premeditated rather than an act of passion (I loved the work so much that if the site's owner changed/or removed it - it would be gone from my view).

The moment it was posted it became a crime. You may not have the financial resources to formally persue legal action - but this does not make it any less violating or less illegal.

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