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November 2002 Google Update
Official
dvduval

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Msg#: 7233 posted 5:09 am on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Did I announce it first?

 

zsalmon

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Msg#: 7233 posted 7:04 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Can people look at my site? I was a PR 0 last update now I am a PR 1. I gained alot of good links, but my competition did not gain any, and he's still kept his PR4. Any reasons why?

Thanks,
Zach

Hoople

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Msg#: 7233 posted 7:51 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

So far I've maintained PR but lost 60% of my backlinks :(

kfander

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Msg#: 7233 posted 8:00 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

So far, one of my sites (which was a PR6 before the dance) has alternated between PR5 to PR7. Another, for which I've been hoping for an increase, has retained its PR5 throughout, but it has gone up one in rank for my favorite keyword phrase. And another new site, which previously had no PR, pops up with a PR5 every now and then. Too early to tell, though.

whoz1

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Msg#: 7233 posted 8:20 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

My site got banned?! Does anyone know how I can find out why Google Banned 3 of my websites? Maybe the Google Guy would know? This is going to hurt big time...

zeus

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Msg#: 7233 posted 8:35 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I must say Google has done a good job again, good listings on many different search keywords from all categories.

zeus

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 7233 posted 8:42 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

>My site got banned?! Does anyone know how I can find out why Google Banned 3 of my websites? Maybe the Google Guy would know? This is going to hurt big time...

Perhaps the server was down at the wrong time? If not, did you use SEO trickery?

instand1

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Msg#: 7233 posted 8:47 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

One observation: anchor text seems to be slightly less important compared with last update...

Beachboy

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Msg#: 7233 posted 8:48 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

The sites for which I am responsible are in good shape. The ones that previously achieved high rankings are still pretty much in those positions. This time around I had to improve positioning for others in webmaster related keyword phrases, as well as phrases like that with a regional emphasis, and it appears that I got what I wanted.

For a webmaster-related phrase, we are at number 3 right now. For a similar phrases with a regional twist, we are third. For the same regional phrase combined with a somewhat less important webmaster-related phrase, we are first. So...progress. Nothing to complain about at all. Good luck to you all. :)

Muskie

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Msg#: 7233 posted 8:52 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sinner_G rapped:

"OTOH, more (dynamic) pages in the index."

I have to agree. Although my new personal domain on which there is nothing but my sister's Kafka project unsurpisingly is not in the new index. My employers site which I was only able to tweak ever so slightly due to office politics has improved in rankings.

And the backlinks to our one product increased a rediculous amount which was also not unexpected. For the first time I hope the index holds up relatively the same, if for no reason then I can say "I told you so".

These backlinks all come from dynamic pages. Our dynamic demo site still is not in the index. This will be my next goal.

This site of course has been very informative.

Muskie

djgreg

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Msg#: 7233 posted 9:14 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Very good update so far. Achieved very good positions, and i agree that anchor text seems to get less important.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 7233 posted 9:25 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Very good update so far. Achieved very good positions, and i agree that anchor text seems to get less important.

Based on one SERP I checked, I strongly disagree.

promis

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Msg#: 7233 posted 9:30 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Excellent results so far! Also a 20% increase in backlinks, although I expected much more. A search for my domain name (which is unique) returns more than triple than backlinks.

Does anybody know if backlinks registered by Google can increase during the update? Or those we get the first day are what we get till the end?

GoogleGuy

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Msg#: 7233 posted 9:42 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

radiosky: good advice all around. Mind if we incorporate some of those tips?

Hoople: we don't report all the links we see, so I wouldn't worry about that. The PageRank still gets counted correctly.

whoz1: it's still a little early in the update, so I'd wait for that first.

Muskie: I think we're always going to be getting better at dynamic pages.

and finally, europeforvisitors: I want to take the last paragraph of your post and just frame it. Avoiding the shortcuts and just adding great content is a surefire SEO technique that helps you, users, and Google. :)

patriciak

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Msg#: 7233 posted 9:45 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am sooooo happy! Major jump for some of the keyword phrases that are important for my site. And I wouldn't have checked if I hadn't seen this message this morning.

Thank you for the heads-up!

Happy Thanksgiving to all :)

NovaW

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Msg#: 7233 posted 9:54 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks like a good update - results seem quite relevant.

A new site high in the serps though - a one page site, cloaked (the cache version would blow your mind) - site is just an affiliate link - ie absolutely no content - it has a high PR and all it's back links are similar cloaked pages with affiliate links - all presumably owned by the same persion (they all look alike)

I guess this is one for the SPAM report. It always is irritating when you work hard to create a great content rich site and some schmuko sneaks in through the backdoor - but I know they won't be around for long - Google will filter out that blatant abuse.

Happy thanksgiving to all!

radiosky

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:04 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Googleguy - uhh, sure. How do you mean? Thanks for compliment. You mean the part about telling my Grandma not to send Old Spice?

Another matter for all who care to chime in:

I worked my tail off over the last 6 weeks trying to get 54 theme related links from PR4 and higher sites. Google found about 32 of them but not the best 22 which I believe they will eventually.

I was a low pr 4 last time. Looking at my ranking on www2 and www3, I jumped from 72 to 11 and 53 to #2 and 23 to #1 and #2. The sites that are behind me about the next 10 places back, 12-22 and 3-13, 3-13, approximately that amount, are PR 5 currently.

Does the fact that I have so many PR 5 sites BEHIND me (on www2 and www3) mean it is relatively safe to assume that I graduated to PR5?

Anyone think this method would work in trying to figure your new PR?

rodpuga

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:16 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

radiosky,

If you are listed, try checking the directory on www2 and www3. I suspect there you can find the new PRs. At least my websites are all showing new PRs over there.

wruk999

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:20 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

Firstly this is my first post..so please bear with me ;) and also, just to let you know that this site you've got here is fantastic!

My query regards the Google Dance - I updated my website about one week ago, the "Freshbot" as its called visited on the 26th and it got added when I do a search on www.google.com. It is the new version of my site I see in www.google.com
But when I go to www2 & www3, and perform the same search, the website gets listed, but with the old content. Is this common practice, and will the result from www filter through to www2 & www3, or will the old content from 2 & 3 filter back and overwrite the new content stored in www?

Im relatively new to the SEO...so please bear with me if this question sounds "old hat" to most of you!

Regards.

Interent Yogi

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:20 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes a good refresh. My best results What was a shadow domain site?

radiosky

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:30 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Rodpuga, tried that but I seem to be fluctuating back and forth from my old position in the directory and the new one (position). Even so, the new one looked like a PR4 last time I saw it. But I find it hard to believe that my pr4 is beating out about 10 pr5 sites in the www2 and www3. But maybe it is.=?

promis

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:31 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy you missed my query back there!
Backlinks registered by Google can increase during the update? Or those we get the first day are what we get till the end?

jaxman

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:35 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Did the update happened or not yet?
Can't understand nothing anymore! :(

rodpuga

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:38 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Radiosky, my websites did not fluctuated in the directory. Two remain the same as before the update, and 4 were increased by one PR point. However, I don't really know how the directory behaves under the upgrade... this is the first time I am using it to check my PRs before the update is complete.

Maybe Googleguy can give us some light on the issue.

rodpuga

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:40 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Jaxman, it is still happening.

promis

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:42 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy, Google bar show PR5 for my site. Same in Directory. The site above mine in the Directory shows exact same PR but Google bar gives it PR 6 instead? Is this normal?

MHes

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:46 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Getting new index on www

That was fast, maybe just a quick transfer and will return to old.

radiosky

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Msg#: 7233 posted 10:48 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Rodpuga

He probably won't. He gets about 100 questions a day from posters here. I've seen him reply to ones where the answer will benefit many others, but for something minor/trivial like this, probably not. The directory results under www2 and www3 are probably in "everflux."

If you have questions of minor importance (like mine), it's probably better to direct them toward the group or the "old" members (Preferred member and above).

ADDED> I don't presume to speak for GG, just stating my humble opinion on querying him.

gilli

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Msg#: 7233 posted 11:07 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yup I'm getting the same results on www, www2 & www3 again now. Looks like a quick and relatively minor update compared to the last couple.

julinho

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Msg#: 7233 posted 11:16 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

From down here, it looks like the google directory was already updated to reflect the new PRs.

rodpuga

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7233 posted 11:21 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I also saw updated results and PRs on www, www2, and www3. But it went back to the old ones again...

Muskie

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Msg#: 7233 posted 11:21 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

About our dynamic pages we used Apple's WebObjects however we also made the URL's "book markable" as requested by our client, this will also help GoogleBot presumeably.

Intead of a URL with "?" and other odd characters plus numbers and letters that are not very human friendly we have URL's like this:

www.blah.blah/blah/

we do allow underscores and periods so some pages URL's are like this:

www.blah.blah/blah_blah/

or

www.blah.blah/blah.blah/

Dashes are also allowed perhaps, basically we want the URL's too look like a static site. This isn't an eCommerce app or a product catalog though that is a common source of dynamic URLs.

So if you make dynamic URL's it should almost go without saying for people and for GoogleBot try to make them as 'readable' as possible.

Muskie

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