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The Fresh Wave?

 7:09 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

One of the legendary old SEO tricks was played with Infoseek. They used to spider and update instantly. This lead to building sites that did nothing but ride current events.

It used to work this way:

- wait until something major happened in the world.
- go do searches and find everything you can about the topic.
- build a quick page that you updated as fast as you could.
- submit to infoseek and wait to get spidered.

With Infoseeks instant indexing, you could build a page and have it pulling several thousand referrals within an hour or two.

Anyone playing the Google "fresh" sweepstakes? If so, how's it working?



 2:15 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hello everyone, i'm new to webmaster world. Yahoo did a number on me and i'm here trying to recover. Can somebody direct me where to read up on Freshbot, the whole soup to nuts.



 4:22 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am playing around with freshbot, to determine it limits. I would not say you can not compete in competive keywords with it. In fact if you already have off page content down, freshbot can show you what you need for onpage content.

Maybe i said, too much? going back quiet again.


 4:26 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi & welcome to Webmasterworld

Use the search facility up top to obtain a plethora of info on freshbot.

I had him on my site for over 18 days this month and was amazed at new pages appearing (and still do) My ISP & web server had a breakdown for about 90 hours where I could not upload new content & he slipped away (or so I thought, as I have not seen him anywhere today in my category)

Oh well loved it while the going was good(And only followed the BT rules of a better website)

Now I miss him!

Will be interested to see how the dance affects me now.

PS was at posn 199-201 for many months and then got to #46 in the last 2 months after giving up on Bretts rules for a better web page......so thank you to everyone and this forum.....OK a long way to go, but there is inspiration again

Cheers from the Outback


 8:09 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

can somebody tell me how freshbotz finds your newly added page? do you have to have link to it from your index.htm page? i am sure that it has to be linked from some page otherwise fresh bot cant find it right? or after making new page you submit to google?

so if you make for example pagenew.htm what do you do? link from index.htm to it? orfrom any other page and googlebot will fresh crawl it?

i am little confused HOW does freshbot findthis new page?


 11:53 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oh - you can rank well for competitive terms. In the anecdote I linked to in my first post in this thread, the album I was talking about was the soundtrack for a movie that was #1 a few weeks ago (featuring a certain white rapper). Even though I jumped the gun and got the info up there too early for "prime benefit to me" it was still very competitive. I ranked #3 below the official site and a certain music network's news article on it. There were still plenty of pages about it at the time.

Now that my fresh tag is gone, though, the page is down on page 3 of the SERPS. In my experience with it all, an updated page goes by the PR it always had, while a truly NEW PAGE gets a guessed PR that you can't see in the toolbar (which in my experience is always higher than it will end up with).

I've had similar experiences with other pages - many very competitive. I DO think linking structure plays a key role, but in the end, there will never be a way to convince me that I can't get a nice boost with a new page on a timely issue - I've done it too many time. Now, it's just a matter of getting down the timing.



 1:33 pm on Nov 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's Baaack.................


 3:34 pm on Nov 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

#1 a few weeks ago (featuring a certain white rapper).

So that who was Wally Widget :)


 11:09 pm on Nov 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

can somebody tell me how freshbotz finds your newly added page?

I'm interested in this too. Freshbot's been comming around these parts and (s)he seems to hit 6-10 pages at a pass. Several are somewhat predictable, and the others seem arbitrary, meaning they vary from visit to visit. I'm curious whether anything can be done to influence freshbot to hit a particular page.

I'm also curious whether there is a way of forecasting when the deep crawl might come through.


 3:51 am on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I thought the fresh bot updated the pages per day? I had a site that showed up for a couple of hours and then disappeared. How does this work? I was so convinced that it was on a per day basis.

I had a page that I submitted to Google and placed some links. It showed up for a couple of hours and then disappeared. I was pretty confused.

troels nybo nielsen

 6:30 am on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

> I was pretty confused.

That's part of the idea, I should think. The people at Google do not want us to be _too_ certain about anything. It would be to easy to misuse freshbot.


 12:36 pm on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think that it's more to do with Google trying hard to improve the Everflux, therefore changing things on an unpredictable basis, but Google not wanting us to be too certain about anything could well be a part.

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