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msg:36420
 7:17 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have a website that is offering to link to me on all 3,000 of their webpages. Personally, I don't like it simply because it doesn't make sense for it to happen. My link would be relelvant on maybe 10 of those pages but not all 3,000.

I know that being on all 3,000 would boost my PR but I'm not really into working the system. I might not ever get a #1 with my logic but as long as I get first page I'm happy.

Questions is: Would google like it better if you had 100 pages on the same domain linking to you or 00 different domains linking to you? Does google even differentiate?

 

troels nybo nielsen




msg:36421
 7:47 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

> Personally, I don't like it simply because it doesn't make sense

I would not like it either. I don't know if Google would, but I don't think they should. Many incoming links from one single domain _may_ help, but it's definitely better to have incoming links from many different (and relevant) websites.

davaddavad




msg:36422
 8:12 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Google is aware of that trick it will work for awhile and you ll get a postive result then youll get caught and have to recover from the negative result. hth

Terry_Plank




msg:36423
 12:21 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's my understanding that you need multiple domains linking to you not multiple pages from one domain. I do not believe this will help your RP or your ranking for your keywords.

martinibuster




msg:36424
 3:35 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't believe this will get you penalized because there are many web design firms that tag ALL of their client's sites with their logo and a link.

This used to give them a boost but apparently Google is only counting the highest PR page from a web site, according to some threads around here. And that makes sense.

I would advise to get your link from their highest PR page (probably on their root), and ask for a discount. ;)

Marcia




msg:36425
 4:24 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

It could be a little different with sites we design or do work on, martinibuster. I'd be a little nervous about 3K links. I had one site I work on decide to put the link to me across all their site pages. Got me nervous, I had them take it off. It's legitimate, but I'm not sure whether to let them put it back up.

Also, it's just speculation and not related to Page Rank, but it's also worth thinking about how many occurrences there are of certain keywords in link text.

martinibuster




msg:36426
 4:55 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

It could be a little different with sites we design or do work on

I'm not sure. How can it be different? A link at the footer is a link.

The only way to automate the process of segregating web design footer links is to exclude links in the footer altogether, or perhaps to not credit links to webmasters. I'm not sure how it can be different.

I base my opinion on this:
Eight months ago, while researching the high PR web design firms to find out where all their back links were coming from, I was shocked to discover that they had a multitude coming from huge 1000 page templated web sites.

I found it a bit unfair for them to have pages upon pages of backlinks listed all from a handful of sites. But the ranks have changed.

Thanasus




msg:36427
 5:54 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm jsut interested in getting my link on the 10 or so pages that are relevant. If google only counts one of them than so be it. Its just a bonus that it gets counted at all.

I'm just trying to use my situation as an example so I could further my understanding of how google evaluates links.

martinibuster




msg:36428
 6:17 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Thanasus,
You have asked a very interesting question, and forgive me for indulging myself on this thread, but for me, part of what makes this such a great community is taking a question and teasing out little truths from different angles. Maybe I'm a geek but sometimes you find a revelation and sometimes you merely see the air come out of a tire.

Marcia raised an interesting point, related to one of my posts, and it's definitely related to your original question of how much worth do multiple page links convey to a web site.

I appreciate Marcia's input to WW because because she contributes so often and so thoughtfully; and I always look forward to her input, as a moderator, idea stimulator or a devil's advocate.

Sometimes there aren't definitive "yes" or "no" answers but a general consensus may appear.

Thanks for bringing up this question. It's a good one.
;)

Visit Thailand




msg:36429
 7:06 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Perhaps I am wrong but it seems to me as if you are looking to inadvertenly buy or get pr rather than advertise.

For me if the site was relevant and popular and they offered me paid (or free?!) a link / ad on all 3,000 pages I would take it. If it fit within our advertising target.

The question has to be do you want to advertise and gain additional users through the ad (whether it be a link or an actual banner) or is your ultimate plan to increse pr with a hope of increasing SERPS.

troels nybo nielsen




msg:36430
 7:18 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Good links are _relevant_. 3k links from one single website to one single of Thanasus' pages are not likely to be very relevant. Unless Thanasus has designed that website.

A good link answers a question that is asked by the visitor at that specific point on a page.

SlyOldDog




msg:36431
 1:09 pm on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanasus

If you are concerned about a penalty but you would like links from all the pages, ask them for an HTML link on the index page and Java redirects on šll the others.

Google doesn't recognise Java links at present.

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