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New Google Sales Office in Madrid, Spain
dirson




msg:63828
 2:13 pm on Nov 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Does anybody know when it's planned to open the new Google Sales Office in Madrid?

Is Google searching for candidates?

On this page:
[google.com...]
there is no information about it.

 

Marcos




msg:63829
 5:30 pm on Nov 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

They don’t, but they have opened a “office” in a number of tax heavens, places where they can operate without having to pay US taxes: The Virgin Island (21,272 inhabitants!), Norfolk Island, New Jersey Islands, Cocos Islands,Panama, Liechtenstein, and more.
They do have a "office" in most Zero Taxes countries, but they do not have offices on many European countries. US Tax seems to be the issue, no serving a relevant population. You can perfectly expect "Google Andorra" or "Google Gibraltar" before we ever see a Google Spain.

heini




msg:63830
 5:38 pm on Nov 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Google has ccTLDs from the countries mentioned, but offices?
As far as I know Google has offices in UK, Germany, France, Holland and that's it.

Marcos




msg:63831
 5:49 pm on Nov 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi heini,
>Google has ccTLDs from the countries mentioned, but
>offices?

Maybe you are right. Iīm checking the google.vg whois records, and it seems to be registered to Google.inc at Palo Alto, Ca, US. If they don’t have a local office, they have no tax advantage.
But, in any case, why do they have a Google's Site at Cocos Islands, then? Protecting the ccTLDs from cybersquatters? Maybe, but why not do the same with, say, Spanish or Norwegian ccTLDs?

dirson




msg:63832
 6:36 pm on Nov 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Answering Marco.

1) There are 4 Google offices in Europe: London, Paris, Hamburg and Milano.

[google.com...]

I suppose that Google's to pay taxes on these countries, don't they?

2) About why Google doesn't've registered yet 'google.es' domain, if you read 'nic.es' rules in order to register a .es domain:
[nic.es...]
you can see they are very restrictive, and only Spanish firms wich have registered the trade mark before can buy a domain.

Regards. Salu2.

Marcos




msg:63833
 7:08 pm on Nov 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi dirson,

>Answering Marco.

Somehow I had the impression you where posting as a Spanish looking for job at Google. I guess Iīm wrong: My name is a Spanish name, Marcos, no Marco, what is a typically Italian name ;)

>I suppose that Google's to pay taxes on these countries,
>don't they?

Well, I guess they do. Unless the payment is procesed at a diferent country, lets say Panama. In that case, they would only pay taxes, if any, at Panama. To open a Bermuda or Panama "office" is a very well known trick, used by many top 500 american corporations, to reduce the fiscal cost.

>if you read 'nic.es' rules in order to register a .es
>domain (...) are very restrictive...

Iīm aware of those rules, but that will not stop any dealer of Internationalised Domain Names from registering it. A P.O. BOX at Spain, and a international branch declaration will do the trick for a few dollars.
I canīt belive that this is what is preventing Google from ofering Spanish, Norwegian or Portuges people with the same kind of localiced version they offer to, say Latvija or Cocos Islands.
Anyhow, they do not list any office at those countries, so you may be right, who knows...
:)

heini




msg:63834
 7:24 pm on Nov 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I canīt belive that this is what is preventing Google from ofering Spanish, Norwegian or Portuges people with the same kind of localiced version they offer to, say Latvija or Cocos Islands.

Spain , in contrast to many of Google sites hosted under ccTLDs, has a totally localized Google version. Offering the option search in Spanish pages only, offering all help files etc in Spanish, offering a spanish directory, offering spanish news groups etc.

Nearly none of that is offered to the small countries mentioned above.

The problem of registering a well known brand as domain name under all ccTLDs is a problem of different laws and how and where to claim ownership of those names.

Marcos




msg:63835
 12:03 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi heini,

>Spain , in contrast to many of Google sites hosted under
>ccTLDs, has a totally localized Google version.

Well, Actually it does not. There is a Spanish lenguaje version, targeting the 200 Million spanish speaking people arround the glove, but that is for any spanish speaking country, like Spain, Mexico or even the US, but there is not a localized version for the country of Spain, as there are, say, a UK or Itali localized county versions. Not that I care, anyhow, but thatīs how it is.

dirson




msg:63836
 12:07 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Right, but when is Google to open their office in Madrid?

heini




msg:63837
 12:30 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dirson, sorry for going offtopic. Frankly I have no idea. Where did you get the info from?

percentages




msg:63838
 7:30 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Google opens offices where Google can make the greatest returns on its investment...shock horror! It has a commercial side to it, and isn't just a bunch of geeks with PHD's afterall.

It has Offices in the US, UK, France, Germany and Japan for one reason....these are 5 of the 6 major commercial nations in the world. I'm sure Google China will be high on the list of desired countries to attack next.

Sorry, but Spain is a poor nation, nothing personal....just fact. I'm sure Google will get to Spain when it has eaten all the cream!

Last I read Eire (Ireland) was the most prosperous nation in Europe these days....Can't wait for a Googleplex to open in Paddyland (no racial slur intended...I have a pint of Irish blood in me)....maybe we will get the SERPS displayed upside down to celebrate the opening ;)

Marcos




msg:63839
 8:45 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Sorry, but Spain is a poor nation, nothing
>personal....just fact.

Nonsense, Spain if the 9th world richest nation, and a fast growing economy on that. There is a plethora of reasons why Google may or may not open a office at Spain, just like Yahoo and many others did, but that is certainly not a reason. You should check out your World Fact Book again, is definitely outdate :)

>Right, but when is Google to open their office in Madrid?

I doubt they will do in the short term. Yahoo is already here, and as you may know, spanish online advertising market is dominated by well stablished portals like ya.com, Eresmas/Wanadoo, and, specially, Terra/Lycos, a company that just happens to own a 10% of Fast.
They would not be able to strike a deal with the market leader, and they would have to fight a uphill battle against local incumbents, so it may not be the best extrategic choice they could make in the present conditions. I think a Korean office will make much more sense that a Italian or Spanish office right now.

2_much




msg:63840
 3:21 am on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hey Marcos, so to optimize sites for Spain are these sites to target:
ya.com, Eresmas/Wanadoo, and, Terra/Lycos?

Is this where most of your traffic comes from? And if so, what databases do they use?

Thanks for sharing.

sierra




msg:63841
 4:19 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

1.- We love Google! (not in my stats, NetValue says)
2.- Yahoo is second.
3.-Terra and Ya comes close in third position.
4.-Altavista is still there...
5.-and then wannadoo and all the rest of them.
These are guesses from my stats, maybe somebody can add on this?
PS.- BTW iīm doing terrible on google, thatīs why iīm on this forum :-)

Marcos




msg:63842
 5:17 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Hey Marcos, so to optimize sites for Spain are these sites
>to target:
>ya.com, Eresmas/Wanadoo, and, Terra/Lycos?

Not really, Google is first here, but corporate/institutional ads usually go for those. I guess Google is doing well with spanish adwords, but they donīt need a local office for that, and selling Sponsored links would be easy.

GoogleGuy




msg:63843
 4:49 am on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmm. I'll ask around about a Google office in Spain and mention that a few people want one. :)

Ambiorix




msg:63844
 8:09 am on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

How about one in the Belgium? For the Dutch speaking community? :-)

dormek




msg:63845
 9:29 am on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

I only tell what I read:

[elpais.es...]

Marcos




msg:63846
 12:40 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks, dormek. So Google IS coming. Well, an Adwords office in Madrid does explain a few things.

SlyOldDog




msg:63847
 1:35 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Tax havens! Honestly! What are you people smoking?

The real reason for offshore servers is to host material away from the net police.

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