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update "It's over."
Now that the fat lady has sung, what do you think about the latest update?

 4:12 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry Brett, I didn't mean to say you are a fat lady. Just a figure of speech. ;) Now that the final election...err, update results are in, time for people to evaluate the new algo. Look better than last month? Worse? About the same?



 4:18 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

One quick item I noticed:

Internal links helped PR. I have, oh, say 40-50 links on the home page to internal pages. I have a sidebar that has only 20 links on it to the 'major' internal pages.

The links that are on the home AND the sidebar have a PR of one greater than those with only a link from the front/home page.


 4:32 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

How can you tell that the indexing in over? On the google dance tool datacentre 1 - 7 is still different for one of my key words. However www, www2 & www3 everything is the same.


 4:40 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Brett is a living god, and thus infallible. ;)


 4:43 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Stop that. ;-)

I meant the discussion of it was over. We've squeezed it for everything it's got. We have the other algo discussion and the dozens of side bar topics.


 4:51 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm still waiting for freshbot to throw in my wild cards. PR has been determined but not who is #1.


PR and off page content. eh? link text effect has been determined


 5:08 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Now that the fat lady has sung, what do you think about the latest update?

It's been pretty good for me. No nasty surprises (at least, not that I've discovered yet), no drop in PageRank, and slightly better positions for some of my major keyphrases. Traffic is continuing to climb, too, at a time of year when I'd normally be heading toward a 40% seasonal drop.


 5:15 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Slight PR boost - pages linked from our PR7 homepage are now PR7 not PR6. Google traffic is up about 10%, otherwise nothing exciting to report.

In fact, it's the same story every update for the past 6 months, just slow and steady gains. I'm thinking of taking up keyword stuffing to get that old adrenaline rush during the dance.


 5:35 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't recommend that, Deodato. There are better ways to get an adrenalin rush. ;)


 5:59 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I wouldn't recommend that, Deodato. There are better ways to get an adrenalin rush.

Methinks Googleguy would know something about this matter. ;) Definitely don't try blatant keyword stuffing such as blocks of text designed just for spiders, etc. However, old fashioned on page appropriate keyword optimization should be OK.


 6:23 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am happy at being promoted to the first page for the first time, and near the top too. Traffic is up nicely. Thanks ww. I owe it all to you.

The overall scoop of sites that I consider relevant to my keywords was a bit better this time than before the update.
Continued slow improvement every time for google's selections from my little corner of the web.

I do notice that there is now one site that has three positions on that same first page, two above me and one below. Plus an afilliate site too. I'd be happy to have them once, above me if need be, but the duplication is annoying. Travel and accommodations seem to be a tough sector for any of the SE's to get right.


 6:33 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

It was a good update for me, too. Some new pages and new sites have page 1 ranking for the first time. Some older pages have reached first or second position. Still other pages in tough categories are climbing upward, higher each month. I haven't anything to complain about. Which is unusual for me. ;) Am looking forward to the next update.


 7:09 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

The update was officially over when all backlinks on all data centers showed the same numbers.

However, since that time I have noticed the SERPs change dramatically. So the definition of the update being over is interesting.

Compared to the July update and to some extent the August update I am a little down for the 300 sites I manage at this time. However, I am way up from the September update which was a complete disaster in my very competitive cats.

I personally believe the algo has changed, and very recently. In a couple of days I will know more, and if all sites are back to their "usual" positions I will be dancing for joy. At the moment it is just a decent improvement.


 8:09 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't define the update as being over until the SERPs have settled.


 8:21 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

rfgdxm1, I agree, and SERPs haven't settled by a long chalk.

From what I see going on now this update may well continue to the start of the next one.

Who really cares about backlinks, and who really cares about SERPs? They are both important to me, but the SERPs win hands down!


 8:50 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

You can't use SERPS as the basis for determining when an update has concluded because the Fresh Bot system causes SERPS to fluctuate all month long.

The monthly update is about recalculating PageRank, so backlinks ashowing the same across all data centers would be a good indication that the update has completed.


 8:52 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

I guess I spoke too soon. The serps certainly haven't settled down.

After my comments about the other guy's site having multiple listings, I now see two of my own on page one and another at the top of page two. Gee - maybe I didn't really mean to complain.

Keep making these adjustments - as you were.


 9:19 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

still see everyday changes on my sites in google, unfortunately they go still slowly down...


 9:25 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

In the last two updates I have seen that where html code is used just for what it was intended, and not twisted for seo purposes, the pages have done better.

conclusion: Best optimisation is no optimisation.


 9:30 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Using HTML as it was intended is optimization.


 9:39 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think they have eased back on last month's filter slightly. With Dmoz being down for quite some time last month it's affected rankings for some people. Tsk...

Things are still moving, as they do EVERY month. Take a look. My profile site is back in the index again with a search - but it will be gone later today or tomorrow. Thanks to some spudface's cached linking idea. Overall - very good month and much fairer than the last update I reckon....

creative craig

 9:59 am on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well this update has seen me drop from number one to some where on page 20 for a few of my keywords :( Still my other keywords have seen a bit of jump onto the first page.

So nothing to cry about realy :)


 5:36 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

For my sites this has been my best update ever. I gained 5 PR6 pages. Traffic is up on my main site about 20%, to an all time high.


 5:39 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well if google would be able to find backlinks and not display ZERO backlinks and to not of dropped our PR down.. maybe I could say better things.. but for now.. dont get me started! :)


 5:55 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)


This wasnīt a normal update. I donīt know why, but most of the sites in Portugal saw their PR decreased. The number one site in Portugal, was PR7 (for a long time), now itīs PR6. Another important one was PR6, now itīs PR5. 4 of my sites dropped too (and the links are the same ).
PR6 - now itīs PR4
PR5 - // PR4
PR5 - // PR3
and so on...
90% of the portuguese sites I know have dropped. Why is that? Did this happened in another country?


Nuno Oliveira


 10:04 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's been another disappointing month for me. Despite adding more content to my site and the links jumping from 560 to 720, I've dropped in the SERPS again. Two months ago I was #7 for my keyword, last month #11, this month #13. The results still haven't settled down yet, but today the two sites above mine in the serps both had 0% keyword density! Yup -- the keyword doesn't even appear in the title.(One is a vanity page with an image on it -- not even alt tags, while the other is a redirect to said vanity page).

I love Google, but something is really wierd right now. I have more links than most of the sites above me, *way* more content than any of them (not to mention quality), and I avoid anything spammy like the plague (okay, I did put my keyword into all the internal links to my home page, but that's it -- mostly I concentrate on finding links from relevant sites and adding content).

If anyone has the faintest idea of what I can (ethically) do to help me get back onto the first page I'd be eternally grateful.


 10:07 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Overall I am fairly happy. Our main site continues to do well and our other sites have been slowly improving over the past few months. I would have to give this update a thumbs-up.


 10:13 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Very exciting update for me as several new sites are now in the index "with" pagerank calculations. My main site had an all time high on Monday of just over 4,000 visitors. This next update should also be exciting for myself as I have gained about 10 pagerank 6 and up inbound links to my main site ;-)

This algo seams similar to the algo of september before the last update.

I am smiling ;-)



 10:20 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)


This relates to another topic but it's funny how when it's your own sites that all rank in the top 10 it's fine and when it's a competitor it's wrong and should be reported.

Congrats on your top 10 links. Hopefully your competitors won't cry and report!



 10:25 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

bluelook...I haven't done a lot of looking around Portuguese sites recently, so things may have changed...but my experience of both Portuguese and Spanish (and Latin American) web sites is that they tend to have far fewer links out than sites based in most countries...if this update has stressed external links a little more it may well have hit many Portuguese and Spanish sites

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