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October 2002 Google Update

 10:03 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Definately getting different results on backward links for yahoo. www showing 657k and www2 and www3 showing 654k. Results for CNN are also different. Looks like the real deal.


[edited by: liamgt at 10:06 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]



 1:22 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

What time does the Cadillac dealer open?


 1:22 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

How do you know when the dance is over. or is it over already? My site is totally missing from datacenter 1 & 2 but appears in the rest. Is this a good or bad sign?


 1:25 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)


Don't worry yet things will be moving around quite a bit over the next few days


 1:31 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Phew!... Thanks, how long does the google dance usually last and things start to settle down?


 1:33 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

4-5 days generally...



 1:38 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

We optimized a site over 6 years ago (back in the Infoseek days) and have continually monitored and tweaked it. It is still number one so far.......but our long time 5 year competitor of # 2 got bumped down 5 positions by brand new competitors.......(we've competed for that long in all SE's, and certainly when Google started up)


 1:47 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Happy Halloween!


 1:51 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

The directory appears to be updated right now at directory-ex.google.com

I've already seen new entries, but sometimes I get a page with nothing but "ok" on it.


 1:53 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

If it takes 4 - 5 days before the positions are set how come all you guys are poping chanpange corks and buying cadillacs?


 1:53 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

some of my new websites are not in , have i to wait for the next 4-5 days or I is the worst might have happaned?

please answer :(


 1:59 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

sorry for my spelling mistakes, i was typing in a hurry, imagine my situation, websites in which i've put all the resources and hard work are not in :(


 2:01 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looking at www2 and www3 is still different than www in Italy. I think it'll take some days to have all well refreshed.


 2:07 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I was doing better with new pages with the "everflux effect"...no backward links showing from the new pages...yet


 2:10 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)


don't be worry I've 2 sites that are PR6 sites that are showing no backward links on w2/3 it takes a good few days to settle


 2:17 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I use the google dance machine, how do I check if my links have been picked up?


 2:22 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

from slovenia, i too see different rsutls in www and www2 and www3. new resutls not yet in www.


 2:46 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Spam Spam Spam...

Good to see Google still cannot keep their index clean and healthy for the sake of their users.


 2:52 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Spammy results.

I think title results have lost a lot of their importance. The main thing again is the url. So all the new sites with www.keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com are beating the quality sites.

Not happy with the current results. Dropped from nr 2 to somwehere at the end of the first page.

Learning Curve

 3:01 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm thinking keywords in title has slighting more weight than last month. For a regional search "location keyword" the local newspaper and tv websites that suddenly popped into the top 10 positions last month have fallen significantly.

Those sites had huge PR but were not targeted towards "location keyword." So, the tweak of the algo seems to have improved relevancy, at least it looks that way from my chair.


 3:06 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

My new site got listed. About 60 backlinks. Homepage is showing PR5 sometimes, sometimes gray. Hope all is going to be okay when servers are sync'd. I have some links on PR6 and PR7 pages. But they do not show up in google backlinks yet. Thanks guys/gals for the wonderful support, help and tips I got from this forum.


 3:12 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Main thing I learn last update was that analyzing of early www2 or 3 results was useless because the final results were a lot different. ;)


 3:14 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

In my categories, they took out the main spammer and everything else is close to how it was.


 3:28 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

yeah, me too ralph. not seeing anything dramatically different from last month so far, so looks like the Sept algo will be around for awhile.


 3:30 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)


The reason you see so much spam is because google relies to heavily on "links" in it's algo.

Linking between webmasters to "help" each other in the rankings.. have I have a hundred sites with pr 5 .. I'l trade you 50 pr5 links ..for 20 of your PR 6 links..

Cant do that..I'll go 10 Pr 6's but heres so an so's email he has plenty of pr 6 traffic and has 30 new sites up I am sure if you linked to some of those for him that he would trade

Dosent matter that the sites are nothing but junk to google..so long as they have the ever important links...cause you know thats what the end user is looking for LOL


 3:35 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Anyone know of a bridge without high fences on the sides?


 3:36 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Damn - how do I explain that "657,000" tatto I got last night to my friends?

From my quick analysis, it appears that keywords in the title are counting for more this update. Prior to September, an exact match on the phrase in title was weighted a lot. After September, an exact match was almost irrelevant. Now it seems that Google has tried to balance this back into the algo. Good job Google.

Also, more of my internal pages are showing up in my backlinks. Prior to this month, there was a downward trend for me on this in Google. I am not sure if this is significant or not though. I got one new good link to my homepage. So it could just be a PR trickle down effect. Or it could be an algo tweak.


 3:40 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

"Google has done a good job again."

Glad to hear that most people are happy with the update. A few quick things I would add:
- If your site is brand-new and didn't get picked up, sometimes it can take a few weeks. Make sure to submit your site on our add_url form.
- We really do care about getting the best search results we can. I recommend staying well clear of shortcuts and tricks--you get much better peace of mind. And (I'll try to mention this very rarely) for the few people who have mentioned spam: please report any problems that you see. I'd recommend filling out a spam report and mentioning that you read about reporting spam on webmasterworld--that will give us more data to improve our algorithms.
- Our engineers are getting better at doing the switchover faster, but it takes a few days for us to switch all those terabytes of data. Expect to hit old vs. new pages depending on time, location, etc.


 3:43 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

P.S. I'll try to be around to answer questions over the next few days. I don't talk much about our indexing "secret sauce", but I'm happy to help with straightforward things like robots.txt and other questions that webmasters have.


 3:44 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hello everybody,

From Spain I haven't seen any change yet. I hope the next days we see the update,



 3:51 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

egomaniac - >>Also, more of my internal pages are showing up in my backlinks ... Or it could be an algo tweak<<
I have the opposite - fewer internal pages showing up. Ain't it fun trying to work out what changed?!

GG - "I'd recommend filling out a spam report ..."
I know you keep recommending this, but if we report something we think to be spammy (eg. CSS to hide keyword text) and nothing happens, do we resubmit? How frequently? Or do we assume that Google thinks it wasn't spammy? A site I reported weeks ago has actually risen this update ... now my client wants to know why he can't do what they did (I'm not going to do it, but its hard to justify).
While I know it would be a huge undertaking to reply to each spam report, its the lack of feedback that creates confusion and frustration.

Tropical Island

 3:52 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

One thing I'm noticing is that there are a lot of dupicate entries for the same site. For instance www.xxx/index.htm is on one page and www.xxx/other.htm is on the next.

In our case a few of our internal pages are showing in www2 and www3 however our front page which has been number 3 for months in the main term has disapeared. Hopefully this will straighten out before this is over. Hope our server change on Oct. 7 isn't causing the problems.

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