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October 2002 Google Update
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liamgt




msg:42874
 10:03 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Definately getting different results on backward links for yahoo. www showing 657k and www2 and www3 showing 654k. Results for CNN are also different. Looks like the real deal.

Liam

[edited by: liamgt at 10:06 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

 

Alby




msg:42964
 11:51 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Any conlcusions what has changed?

I have jumped for my main pages that have good external links, but the inside pages with links only from my own site has dropped.

Is the conclusion that you now need external links to every page you want to rank well for?

studmuffin




msg:42965
 11:56 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Help.....

My new site that Google picked up before the update is still ranking well - in fact the same. BUT nowhere to be found on www2 or www3 where the serps look much like they did a month or two ago. Time to press the panic button?

[edited by: studmuffin at 11:59 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

nvision




msg:42966
 11:56 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

....sites of ours that were dropped (?) from the index last update but were showing backlinks now show nothing at all in www2 and 3......

;(

Nick_W




msg:42967
 11:57 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well, just got in from a meeting: Celebrations all round in the Wilson household tonigh ;)

Show me the money!

Not had a chance to really study but on first glance I think there's far more relavance this time round.

Tropical Island




msg:42968
 12:02 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

We changed servers on 2 sites on Oct. 7. One site, a secondary one, was indexed Oct. 11 (according to cache in WWW2) however the main site has disappeared completely. Is it possible that it will be back before this is over? Did Google not update the DNS cache? My stomach's turning over!

The Contractor




msg:42969
 12:07 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think everyone needs to remember what they are seeing now (serps) may not what they see in three days from now. There is no reason to get excited or disappointed at this time (my opinion).

zeus




msg:42970
 12:15 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

It looks like the search results look more like the one we had before the last update and there are many good results on different searches.

zeus

Google has done a good job again.

SuperSoup




msg:42971
 12:17 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Finally, this one is a bit better

gstewart




msg:42972
 12:20 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think everyone needs to remember what they are seeing now (serps) may not what they see in three days from now

I thought it was? Any advice from anyone?

ad6565




msg:42973
 12:25 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I noticed from the pages Google crawled on my site this month, all but several pages were indexed, doing the usual in-out Everflux thing through the month.

However, a few pages were left unindexed even though they were crawled. Now those pages that were left out, are showing, and the pages (the majority) that showed throughout the month, are gone.

All pages were crawled on the same day.

Can anyone explain this?

Longhaired Genius




msg:42974
 12:27 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Any conlcusions what has changed?

The "expanding virtual quotes" are back, ie, Google will now search for the exact phrase first and then show pages with the search words in less close proximity (sort of...). (I'm very pleased to see them again.)

rfgdxm1




msg:42975
 12:28 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>If a keyword is that hot, then it is bound to be competitive. Leave that keyword for the 90% of the sites to fight over and go dominate the 10% they don't worry about either. You can't survive on one search for long - especially if it is a high roi phrase.

I guess the question here is whether the others beating him in the SERPs are competitors, or just people who happen to use this phrase non-commercially and do well? However, you are right in cases like this he needs to fight for everything he can. The one thing that occurs to me is that if he is going for a 2 word phrase, he oughta be trying to scoop up those people who use that 2 word phrase PLUS other words. My main site is totally noncommercial, and I targeted it for a few keywords and keyword phrases. A few months back, I put something like a MB of text that is an historical archive of an old e-mail zine which was subscribed to by people interested in the topic of my site. This added a *huge* amount of indexable content for Googlebot. I'm now getting a lot more hits I'd never have before because while the main site is well targeted for the search keyword1 keyword2, I'm now picking up cases where unsophisticated searches are using 3, 4, 5 and even more keywords. The logical AND between those means my site is one of the few, if not the only one, that matches them. Thus, he perhaps should try and figure out what extra keywords people would likely use searching for what he sells.

Paully




msg:42976
 12:14 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Seeing 654,000 back links from yahoo on www, www2 and www3.

Might be a quick update.

Sinner_G




msg:42977
 12:16 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Still the ominous 657'000 on www for me.

JonB




msg:42978
 12:18 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

same here,no new results on www

McMohan




msg:42979
 12:19 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yupp.. www is getting updated too!.. that was real quick!
Imagine.. how many sites .. wpg will start churning out rank status results now!

[edited by: McMohan at 12:22 pm (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

shady




msg:42980
 12:21 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

After a few refreshes 654,000 now looks as irritating as 657,000 ;-)

kstprod




msg:42981
 12:25 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......sorry, I just had to let that out. Slim chances that I would have gotten picked up in time, but the all the anticipation and hype of this dam* update just makes me feel all the worse for not making it :(

Ah well, maybe I'll make it next go 'round. Plus, I'll have learned a valuable lesson - unless you're already indexed by Google, stay the heck away from "Google News" around the last of the month.... Apparently, this whole Googlitis stuff is catchy. I fell "Hook, Line, and Sinker" :)

Congrats to those who got bumped up & added!

Karen

jamsy




msg:42982
 12:43 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

can anyone confirm wether the backward links on www2 and 3 will change during the dance?

Seem to have lost all b/w links that are from the actual site content pages

quiet_man




msg:42983
 12:49 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Any conclusions as to what has changed?<<
Looks like more ammo for the cynics that dubbed last month the 'adwords algo'. Biggest change I see is the number of ads that have appeared since last month - not even highly competitive areas, but suddenly 4 or more ads this month where only 1 or none last month.

Last month a lot of people complained that pages that had long held top 10 spots for keywords had suddenly dropped 100s of places. Anyone seeing a reversal of this?

Last month I had one site drop like this across 5 keyphrases, but retain position on 15 others. Looks like nothing much changed this month except the appearance of all those new ads.

Monkscuba




msg:42984
 12:54 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

New results on www already. They weren't there an hour ago.
We are flyyyyying.

Seems like a super quick dance, or else google has found out some way to do most of it behind our backs?

lowbwtom




msg:42985
 12:55 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oh well... I guess I got passed over. Nothing since 10/28.

rfgdxm1




msg:42986
 12:56 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Looks like more ammo for the cynics that dubbed last month the 'adwords algo'. Biggest change I see is the number of ads that have appeared since last month - not even highly competitive areas, but suddenly 4 or more ads this month where only 1 or none last month.

Are you checking for *non-commercial* search phrases? I keep saying it, and I'll keep saying it again. The average web surfer rarely does searches looking for commercial sites. They just are seeking out info on topics that interest them. It makes sense for Google to optimize the algo for what the average user searches on. The commercial searches are just collateral damage.

rfgdxm1




msg:42987
 12:58 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>New results on www already. They weren't there an hour ago.

Not on the search terms I checked on. This is normal. During the dance, the new index moves in and out on www. You gotta wait until the band quits playing. ;)

lawman




msg:42988
 12:59 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

New results on www already. They weren't there an hour ago.
We are flyyyyying.

Not fast for me. My NEW site is in www2 and www3, but still isn't showing up in www.

lawman

bnhall




msg:42989
 1:05 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Cooool! My main site has gone from #60-#100 to #1-#4 for most of my top keywords. Since the last update I did two things: increased keyword density and got 20 more google recognized backlinks, one from a top-quality PR7.

Digimon




msg:42990
 1:16 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hehe, quite good for me..... hehe. New sites ranking and old sites ranking better. I'm learning and learning and rising and rising... Nice update!

GodLikeLotus




msg:42991
 1:18 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

OH YES: the wait is over and thank GOOGLE we have not lost any pages, only gained 16 more backlinks.

Andrew Thomas




msg:42992
 1:19 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I made changes about a week ago, although im already indexed from 2 months ago.

But this update i have seen no change at all, did i make my changes to late, eg my title text on google is still showing my old site from a week ago.

Or should i wait a bit longer - www1 2 and 3 is the same old content and title

thanks

ViruS




msg:42993
 1:21 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think the theory about the deepth of your crawl depends on you rank is not quite true: new site of mine just came with 200000+ pages listed and PR6 ;)

jk3210




msg:42994
 1:22 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

What time does the Cadillac dealer open?

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